Partial meniscectomy: Frequently asked questions

Note: One of the most common operations in all of orthopaedics, and not just sports medicine, is surgery for a meniscus tear. I have noticed in my clinics over the last few years that there are several questions asked by most patients with these injuries. I decided it might be helpful to answer them in a blog post. In the coming months, I will create similar posts with video demonstrations and audio discussions to help the public understand these injuries and surgeries.

What is a meniscus?

The meniscus is the c-shaped piece of cartilage between the femur and tibia that serves as a shock absorber in the knee.

The meniscus is a C-shaped piece of shock-absorbing cartilage between the femur and the tibia in the knee. There is one on the medial side (side closest to the midline of the body) and one on the lateral side of each knee.

How do you tear the meniscus?

Typically an athlete or active individual tears a meniscus with a twisting injury. Younger athletes often suffer more significant injuries than do older adults. Often older athletes will note feeling pain after squatting to pick something up or another seemingly innocent maneuver. Occasionally older patients do not remember a specific injury at all.

How can I tell if my knee pain is caused by a meniscus tear or prior arthritis?

Note the fissuring and fraying of the articular cartilage lining on the end of the femur.

This distinction is critically important in treating meniscus tears in adults. Often degenerative meniscal tears occur with pre-existing arthritis changes of the knee. It is important for the surgeon to determine if the meniscus tear mostly causes the pain. Surgery for the meniscus tear is very successful for relieving these symptoms. On the other hand, we know from several studies done over the last decade that surgery to “clean up” arthritis changes has little long-term benefit.

It can be difficult, though, to determine the true source of knee pain in older athletes. Often meniscal pain is more focal and specifically located in a small area on the side and toward the back of the knee. Arthritis pain is often more diffuse, generalized discomfort. Also arthritis might improve somewhat with anti-inflammatory medications, braces, injections, and other nonoperative treatments. Pain from meniscus tears, however, often does not improve with anti-inflammatory medications or even cortisone or viscosupplementation injections.

Surgery to treat a meniscus tear in the setting of arthritis can still have benefit if the patient understands that there may be lingering pain related to the arthritis after full recovery from the meniscus tear. It is vitally important that patients discuss these possibilities with their surgeons.

Could the pain from a meniscus tear go away on its own?

We know from several studies looking at MRI findings in adults with no knee pain that a small percentage of the population has meniscus tears and doesn’t even know it. That finding suggests that some meniscus tears are not painful. Unfortunately, it is difficult to predict whether a patient with a painful meniscus tear will get relief of that pain from ice, rest, anti-inflammatories, or physical therapy.

I think that nonoperative treatment is always a reasonable option. At some point, though, if a patient is not able to perform the activities that he or she would like, surgery can often relieve pain.

What does the surgery involve?

While some meniscus tears can be repaired (sewn back together), most require the inner, torn part of the meniscus to be removed. The surgeon uses small scissors and a shaver placed through small arthroscopic portals to perform this partial meniscectomy. Watch this video for a better understanding of what the surgeon does to treat these tears.

Does removing part of the meniscus lead to long-term problems later in life?

The meniscus acts as a shock absorber, so in theory, removing part of it would lead to more stress on the articular cartilage and bones. While there is no way to predict if patient will develop later arthritis or how quickly, it is a potential concern.

Trimming out a meniscus tear
The surgeon uses scissors to cut out the torn portion of the meniscus and leave a stable rim.

Despite this concern for long-term wear on the articular cartilage and subsequent arthritis, the inner torn fragment probably provides little protection to this cartilage either. Plus the pain is unlikely to improve without trimming that part out. Therefore patients often undergo surgery to relieve pain and get back to activities even if they could develop degenerative problems in later years or decades.

Why does it seem to take so long to recover from the surgery?

Ask Dr. Geier – Recovery from knee surgery

Despite the perception that the surgeon trims out the inner part of the tear and thus the source of the pain, the patient is not instantly better. It’s true that the majority of the pain disappears fairly quickly. But it takes time for the swelling of the knee to go down. It also takes time to regain full motion and strength. The surgeon typically allows the patient to resume activities fairly quickly. After all, the patient is unlikely to do more damage to the meniscus by walking on it and starting exercise programs. Unfortunately it can take several weeks or even months to actually be able to resume exercise, especially repetitive impact, and return to the pre-injury level. Overall it can take 4-5 months before the patient is as good as he or she will be after a partial meniscectomy.

Tips to ensure (hopefully) a successful outcome after surgery

Have you ever suffered a meniscus tear? Have you undergone surgery to treat this injury? Please share your experiences below! And let me know if this post and the video and audio were helpful to those of you with a meniscus tear!

469 Responses to Partial meniscectomy: Frequently asked questions

  1. Just had a partial menisectomy June 28/2012. 45yr old female. Was running and playing hockey. Will return to hockey this fall. Can’t imagine running though. Some swelling remains, often hot to the touch. Biggest concern is loss of muscle tone and strength. Can’t sit on my heals without pain.

    • I am 10 weeks post op lateral partial meniscasectomy. I’m a very active 31 male soldier. As usual I rushed my rehab to regain full activity. It was going well up to week 8. I had finished a walk run program and could run pain free at 13kph for half an hour easily. Was squatting 120kg also. Then developed swelling that even poked out the back of my knee on the inside and won’t disappear, there is no pain. It has been here a week now and I’m very concerned that I won’t be able to go back to my duties fully.
      Is this normal, and will it go down soon?

      • I can’t really say, but it is possible for a patient to do too much too soon and cause his or her knee to swell. If so, some activity modification and time are usually enough to resolve it.

        • I’m 15,
          I play soccer professionally. A year ago i had a meniscus injury for which i was advised to have a meniscal surgery
          Doctors sew it back yet i have a little pain over there i mean 20% of pain is left over there
          By which I’m not able to do some exercises and i cant do my training regularly.
          What should be done to heal that?

      • Swelling, or lump? If it’s a lump it could be a meniscal cyst – I went in for a partial meniscectomy (had a tear and a lump that was identified as a meniscal cyst). Few months later the cyst/lump re-appeared. Turns out there was a micro-tear that the doctor missed – he had to go in and clean up some more and take out the new cyst.

        So yeah – if it’s just swelling, people seem to rehab fine. If it’s a defined lump, then chances are you’ve re-injured yourself or the doc missed a tear.

        • Thanks guys for the replies, I’ve done some digging and I think it’s a popliteal cyst, cuased by the extra synovial fluid built up.
          The thing I don’t know is whether there is a new tear causing the swelling or if I did just do too much. I’ve reduced my training to cycling and swimming only until the swelling disappears.
          It’s now been over 2 weeks and hasn’t improved much. Worried I’ll need another MRI to confirm anything. But thanks for the replies.

          • Hey dr I just had meniscus surgery 3 months ago and my knee is clicking but it’s not a painful click could it be that my knee is just not strong enough yet?

  2. Had a partial menisectomy 3 weeks ago. Female and 56. No athlete but walks the dog every day and ballroom dances every week. Had 13 days of no pain, no soreness and by day 3/4 was walking up and down stairs fine. By day 14 something just ‘went’ as I was walking out of one room to another and now I can’t walk without keeping my leg straight. If I try and walk normally within two steps I get an excruciating pain in my knee that makes me feel sick and faint. Using a walking stick at the moment and walking with one straight leg which is causing calf tightening on my other leg. Managed to get an earlier appointment with the consultant for tomorrow – so disappointed.
    Anybody have an ideas – could a peice of cartilige have got lodged when they were trimming it ? Have a big holiday coming up in January and really wanted to be fit for it.

    • Thanks for the question. Unfortunately, I really cannot give you a specific answer to your question, as I haven’t seen you as a patient or examined you or seen any radiographic studies. I think the follow up appointment is a good idea. Hopefully they find that there is no further damage. Sorry I can’t help more!

      • I to am 8 weeks into post opp for a partial lateral meniscectomy the pre injury pain is gone, however when I walk down slopes I get discomfort on the bottom outer edge of patella area, also my knee simply will not straighten out either. will this lead to having a MUA performed?

        • Often the quads and other muscles of the lower extremity are weak after knee arthroscopy. The weakness can lead to patellofemoral pain. A physical therapist can usually help a patient regain full motion and strength of the knee after surgery.

          • Hello Dr David Geier, hope you are doing well. Just had a partial medial menistectomy. The pain in the medial side has disappeared. That worked very well. However I feel the same symptons described by Alan. Pain in the intersection patella-quadriceps. My doctor says it is common to develop patellar tendinites after arthroscopy when you begin to workout again (your quadriceps is weak). He said this tendinitis could disappear from 6-8 weeks. What is yr opinion? Tks! Daniela

          • I can’t say in your case without examining you, so I would defer to your surgeon. People can develop symptoms if other parts of the knee or other body parts as they return to activities if they have altered mechanics, strength, motion, etc.

  3. I am 37 year old female. I am scheduled for a partial meniscectomy on October 28th. My question is how often do the doctors go in to do a partial and realize that is not an option? Can they tell from MRI before? I was told it was a badly torn transverse tear on inside if left knee. Just worried about how little meniscus may be left. I am very active and would like to remain active! Thank you for any help.

    • In general, surgeons remove enough that the remaining meniscus is stable. How much needs to be removed is difficult to determine from an MRI but is determined based on the appearance seen during surgery.

    • My sister had ACL serrugy recently, and she went through 7 months of physical therapy. She still struggles with knee pain from time to time, but usually her knees feel just fine. I think that the cold weather stiffens your muscles and joints, and due to your sensitive knee, it’ll tense up and hurt more. Try taking about 500mg of Advil, it should ease the pain.Don’t worry too much about your knee pain, it’s very common to have more pain after serrugy, my sister still has pain, and the pain will be difficult through life at times. But talk to your doctor if you want to know how you can relieve the pain more.I really hope this helped! I’ll pray for your knee!

  4. I am a 20 year old male. I had partial meniscectomy about 7 weeks ago. My question is what kind of sports can I play when I’m fully recovered?

    • Did you have to wear an immobilized brace after your procedure? hOW long was your recovery time? I am having surgery Friday.I’m 23 and had a bucket handle tear in 07, from coming down from a lay up in basketball practice. At that time I was 15, so the doctor repaired it. I just had an MRI a few weeks ago and they told me that it didn’t hold up and that part of the tear will have to be removed if it cannot be repaired again.

      • My son was 15yrs old when he had a bucket handle tear of the lateral meniscus to his right knee.About 8 weeks after the injury he had an mri to determine this but we were not told of this injury until 7 months later. He had physio for about 2 1/2 months initially. We have now seen the consultant 7 months later who had wanted to see him 5 months earlier to perform an athroscopy.
        He mentioned that he needed to see him within 6 months of the injury to be successful.What should I tell my son to expect?

        • I think it really depends on whether he needs a meniscal repair or partial meniscectomy. I would discuss the recoveries and chances of success for both procedures with the surgeon.

  5. This is a useful and informative post, but I wanted to comment on the subject of recovery time.

    I had a partial menisectomy 4 years ago, about half of the medial meniscus was removed. I think that it’s inaccurate to say that 4-5 months represents a full recovery. This timescale might represent full recovery of the damaged tissue. But in terms of regaining the strength and muscle balance, and therefore the functional capacity, I believe takes a much longer time. From memory this was around 12 months.

    Bear in mind that I play a lot of sports and work as a physical trainer and yoga instructor, so have a high expectation. If the extent of your activity is dog walks then you may feel fully functional after a few months.

    I’m just writing to offer this perspective, as I remember being quite upset a few months post surgery when I still only felt 85% recovered. I recall my surgeon selling me the op by telling me I’d be fully fit in 6 months. But then how would he know? The last I saw of him was when he removed the stitches.

    It takes a lot of smart physical training or Pilates to bridge the gap between physio and full function. I’m glad I had the surgery. I worry about arthritis when I’m older, but a ragged meniscus is very limiting so it was worth it.

    • Thanks for your thoughts! The 4-5 month time that we expect a patient to reach maximum medical improvement is based on a rough average of patients. For some, it is faster than that. For some, it is slower. Also many factors play a role, such as activity level, amount of other damage found, and the activities to which the patient is trying to return. Thanks for sharing your experience!

      • I’m an active 24 yr old male. I had my second partial meniscectomy on my right knee 3.5 months ago. The doctor more or less removed all of the white tissue meniscus that I had left. I’ve tried running on it at my PT’s suggestion but I’ve yet to be able to run without pain. I’m frustrated because i was under the impression that I’d be fully recovered after 6 weeks and my career depends on me being able to run.

        That said I’ve maintained a relatively high activity level since the surgery. I hike and lift and ride my bike but usually stop these activities when I feel pain. The pain is the most prevalent in the morning, when I get out of bed and then again if I happen to inflame it when using it. I need some perspective here. I’m frustrated and discouraged.

        • I understand that is frustrating. I cannot give you much specific information since I was not involved in your surgery or in your care. Generally return to full sports and exercise at pre-injury levels takes 4-5 months after partial meniscectomy, in my experience, although there are many factors that influence the time needed. The more meniscus removed, the more stress on the bones and cartilage, so impact exercise can be difficult. Specifically what you can do would be a good question for you surgeon, though.

      • I had a medial menisectonmy that removed about half of the mensicus. I was told I would be back to full activity in 4 to 6 weeks. This was very inaccurate. 10 weeks after surgery I tried to run again and on pavement I could maybe run 100 yards before sharp pains went from my knee down to my ankle and up my side. I had constant pressure on the back of my knee for about a year. Now it is four years later and I can run 1 hour only on the treadmill about 3-4 times a week. Th pressure in thr back of the knee has subsided however it still swells up usually in conjunction with a lot of activity. I run and powerlift. Is there anything I can use for the swelling?

        • Without being involved in your care, it is hard to know the significance or cause of your swelling. Generally ice after activity and occasional use of anti-inflammatory medications can be helpful.

          • I have had two medial menisectomy I able to remain active. I work 12 hour shifts and I continue to lift weights. However I pay the price for these activities with moderate to severe sharp shooting pains in my knee and moderate lower back pain occasionally. However I refuse to give up and will remain active for as long as possible.

      • I had partial removal of the meniscus back in april 28tH.I still am waking up with swelling and lots of pain throughout the day it gets worse I am very active with my job,but I feel like at this point i should be able to any advice?

    • Thanks for the info. I was told 6-8 weeks before I could get back to recreational soccer. That was too soon for me. It is encouraging to hear the 4-5 month recovery time. I was beginning to think my surgery was not successful(despite my Physical therapist telling me some people take longer to heal). Knowing the average is closer to 4-5 months helps. Thanks

  6. I had a partial meniscectomy along with cleaning a frayed ACL nearly 4 years ago. I was back to “playing form” within 8 weeks, playing competitive soccer again. I wasn’t 100% at that point, but I would say that I was 85-90%.

    However, as I write this, I am afraid I have injured my meniscus again. I have similar symptoms; swelling, knee tightness especially 1-3 days after exercise, and instability, especially with stairs.

    My question is what is the likelihood of having another tear in the same knee? If very possible, what would be the outlook on a second surgery?

    I am 33, very active, playing soccer competitively 2x a week 8 months out of the year. I also lift 4-5x a week. I would have a very hard time envisioning giving this up. Thanks.

    • I can’t say specifically in your case, but athletes can retear a meniscus. The same mechanism that tore it the first time can do it again. In general, the more meniscus that is removed over time, the higher the risk for the development of degenerative changes of the joint down the road. But if the pain from the meniscus is great enough that the athlete can’t play or perform exercise or daily activities, surgery is often still advised.

      • Im 28 male. I had undergone ACL reconstruction 4 years back and Im remaining comfortable after the surgery and Im able to jog, squat etc. But Im concerned about the partial removal of the meniscus which was badly damaged. Whats the chance of my knee developing arthritis ? What kind of activities should I avoid if I want to prevent developing arthritis.

        • It is impossible to quote statistics on how likely patients are to develop arthritis after partial meniscectomy. Many factors, such as age, activity level, and the amount of meniscus removed, play a role. There is no right answer on what patients are allowed to do, but if there is concern for arthritis, we often have patients cut back on repetitive impact activity like jogging.

  7. Hello,
    I’m San, 43 year old, live and work in the UK.
    I suffered a large bucket handle lateral meniscus tear and had a partial menisectomy on 19th September 2012.
    (I had a freak accident at home, bent down, lost my footing, twisted my right knee and hey presto, heard a popping and grinding noise and then promptly passed out with the pain)
    My MRI revealed that I had a baker’s cyst and osteoarthritis (stage 2?)
    My recovery is going slowly. My walking gait is not 100%, I waddle, my GP examined my knee and as she bent it, it creaked!
    There is still not full flexion and at time’s, my knee lock’s
    I am walking daily, and have not ran or done anything too strenuous on it.
    Can anybody who has had a similar injury, please comment on how long their recovery took?
    Finally, not wishing to be dispondent, but can us lady’s ever wear high heel’s again?
    Whilst you may think it silly, as one’s health is far more important than fashion, I’ve been told that I will not be able to wear anything more than 1 inch in height.
    I am taking holistic remedies to deal with my osteoarthritis and have taken to drinking a ginger and turmeric infusion, green tea, and also take Omega 3 tablets.
    Any other suggestions, advice or comments would be much appreciated.
    I am waiting to be seen by an expert in the field, but in the meantime, if there are any exper’s out there who coule enlighten me on the way forward, it would be gratefully received and welcomed!
    Kind regards,

    • Since I have shared my thoughts on recovery from meniscus surgeries and the effects of arthritis changes on success of partial meniscectomy (in this post and others on the blog), I will allow those readers who have undergone meniscus surgery to share their thoughts. Thanks for sharing your situation and question!

  8. I stepped off of an embankment and landed hard on one foot and fell forward on blacktop on my knee and damage my meniscus. One year later MRI results were tranverse tear on medial meniscus , possible 1cm defect on weight bearing part of the medial side of the femur cartilage( articular cartilage) A partial tore mcl that has healed back . And a baker’s cyst that has given me some trouble. Surgeon suggests a partial meniscectomy and a possible oats procedure to repair defect if that is what it is. I am 47 year old male. I have some mild pain but not all the time. Knee is stiff sometimes in the am and some mornings I limp some until knee is loosen up. I have full motion of knee. I sometimes get a very painful knee jerk pain when going down steps or when stepping to the side, but not when running. Even with full motion of the knee.. What would be the advantage to removing the tore section of the meniscus ? Would it help slow progession of arthritis if the damage section was remove? Improve the baker’s cyst which has swollen my lower leg sometimes.

  9. I have partial medial meniscetomy on 12/4/12 and yesterday was 4 week since. I am 43 in pretty good shape. I tore it in July 2012 and went to PT but it was aggravating me so I opted for surgery. I just started feeling better at 3 weeks post op but is still swollen and stiff at 4 weeks. I cannot run, I can do limited stationary bike, and some eliptical. This is much tougher than I thought it was going to be the gains made are so little. I figured by a few weeks I would be back to normal. The DR says it takes time. I see why this can be frustrating.

        • 2 and a half months post op the knee feels better but still hurts and is swollen after spin class, elliptical, running around with my son, the symptoms are becoming less and less. I guess in my case its going to take 4-6 months. Please keep in mind every operation and everyones recovery are different. Some recover faster others it takes 6 months or longer depending on many factors. You cannot expect to be exercising 2 weeks after this.

          • Great points Paul! I usually advise people to start with non-impact activities like elliptical or stationary bike and progress to jogging and other impact exercise as they can tolerate it. Thanks for sharing your experience!

          • Almost 3 1/2 months post partial meniscectomy, the knee feels ok most of the time but after spin class, elliptical, or walking for a while its sore afterwards. I am still building my quads up with weights. I do not know if this will always be like this or it will go away in time. Not completely happy with the results I thought this would heal and I could pretty much do what I wanted to. I had the operation at HSS in NYC supposedly one of the best places.

  10. 72 year old, pretty active woman. Sudden immobilizing pain in right knee (had hip replacement on right sev’l years ago). MRI showed multiple tears, the worst being oblique tear to the posterior horn and body of medial meniscus, involving inner, middle and peripheral thirds of the meniscus. Also large septated, dissecting Baker’s cyst. Advanced patellofemoral chondromalacia. marked cartilage loss with areas of exposed bone and subchondral bone marrow signal changes in apex of patella. So I had my meniscotomy on Nov. 11, 2012.

    It’s now almost two months post surgery. Thought it was getting a little better and was doing PT, but then had big set-back, and can now hardly walk for 1/2 a city block. Doctor says he doesn’t know why, but he has removed fluid by syringe and injected a large and then a small amount of cortisone. While flexibility is good, pain is always there, sometimes very intense. Dr. said to abandon PT.

    I have developed a “pop” down my leg, like a tendon popping up over a bone. This happens when I get into certain positions, and I can repeat the “pop”. I can’t tell if it originates in my operated hip or the knee, but I’m worried about it.

    I’m thinking of taking my noises and worries to another doctor and/or to a private PT person. I wonder if you have any thoughts on the symptom, the ongoing sharp lower leg pain, and the value of PT at this point.

    Many thanks.

    • Thanks for sharing your experiences with meniscus surgery. I can’t really give you much insight into the issues you are having. Popping in the knee in the months after surgery can have many causes, including grinding of the rough cartilage surfaces (if arthritis is present), swelling that causes parts of the joint to come in contact when they don’t without the presence of swelling, debris catching in the knee, a small area of meniscus still torn, and much more.

      • Coming home from surgery the doctor told me I could put full weight on my leg but getting out of the car I did just that and fell again twisting my leg. I told the doctor, he said I couldn’t have reinjured it but days later fluid buildup caused great pain and had to return about 2 weeks later and have the fluid drained off. there was immediate relief, but after 2 months of PT the therapist is concerned about the popping, which I had filled him in on the fall after surgery. He sent me back to the doctor with his findings and concern, but the doctor said I’m doing fine. I hear the popping myself while extending it and exercising. Will this go away with time. Had meniscus tear and acl surgery on my left knee 2 years ago and there is no pain nor popping at all. Could I have reinjured the knee with the fall . Is the therapist observation something I should be concerned about. PT is working hard to get me back to full range movement but they thought maybe I should have another test to see if I did any damage. There is little pain but not full extension yet and sitting down for long periods and getting back up is difficult . Should I have concern.

        • Unfortunately I can’t say without seeing you. It is certainly possible for a patient to injure himself after a fall, but clicking or popping do not necessarily indicate structural damage either.

    • I ma 72 years old and I would like to share my recent experience. I have had chronic pain in my left knee for the past several years. I have had various shots, cortisone and Synvisc. I talked to my OP surgeon and ask what else I could do? He suggested arthroscopy to scrape and clean, and said that would be as good as it gets after the procedure. I agreed and had it done on December 3, 2014…..huge mistake! He performed a menesectomy which I never would have agreed to have done. Now I have gone from bad to worse. I am on one crutch and I am close to bone on bone. Had he done his job properly, he would have pre-examined through various testing and informed me that I had a torn meniscus, and I would have said thanks for the diagnosis, but no thanks to the surgery. Recent studies provide compelling evidence that a menesectomy offers no more benefits than other treatments like physical therapy, shots, etc. I have been very active before the procedure, swimming, golf,weight lifting, etc. Now I can do none of these, What are your thoughts on this procedure?

      • I can’t say in your case specifically. There are studies, as you mention, that show that partial meniscectomy has little long-term benefit in the setting of degenerative osteoarthritis changes.

  11. 51 year old females, I had MCL injury,ACL reconstruction in 4/2011, due to fall on slopes, recovery time for that was 7 1/2 months, was back playing tennis by January 2012 then in 4/2012 stepped to the side on court and there went my lateral meniscus, red zone tear pretty much shredded, looked like crab meat, lol..I opted for repair as much as I hated to hear recovery time and crutch time…crutches 6 weeks, only instructed to flex foot..I heard it was crucial to not bear any weight on knee during the crutch time so I did exactly that…got back on court by September…right knee doing great! Then in October 2012 had slight ache in good knee (left), thought better safe than sorry had MRI 12/2012, it was ok showed normal arthritis for my age, then when walking to car in beginning of Janary I started limping which lead to could not bear weight nor do stairs, had 2nd MRI, had partial medial menisectomy last Tuesday… I am thinking that one injury leads to an equal balancing act, Doc do you see this frequently? I am hoping this is it for the knees… I am on day 5 post surgery, went for 20 minute walk, can do stairs normal but taking it slow…I have been trying to lose the weight from the first two surgeries, every time I make progress seems something else goes, I need some reassurance there is light at the end of this knee tunnel I seem to be in…

    • I cannot say specifically in your case, but I have seen patients who had meniscus surgery on one knee and within 1-3 years ended up having the injury and surgery on the opposite knee. It is always hard to know if some imbalance or increased use of one knee while the other is hurt led to the other knee becoming injured, or if the injuries are unrelated. Meniscus injuries are common injuries in general. Regardless, thanks for sharing your experiences!

  12. Hi, I am a 45-year old female who had problems with pain upon squatting and with deep knee bends in the inner portion of my left knee. This went on for about 6 months, but I could walk normally and get around without pain unless I needed to squat. I had an MRI that revealed a degenerative tear. I followed up with a surgeon who suggested surgery to remove it. I then proceeded to get 3 more opinions from 3 more doctors. The 2nd doctor said I was in a “gray” area and he said for me to wait and see if it would heal. The 3rd doctor wanted to do a round of anti-inflammatories and for me to follow up with him in 3 weeks. The 4th doctor (who I saw on the same day as the 3rd doctor) suggested surgery and by that time I was so sick of my indecision, I opted for the surgery and went with the last surgeon to preform the partial meniscectomy . After surgery I was told not to bear weight on it until my follow-up appointment which was six days later. I developed a blood clot my left calf 4 days after surgery. I am now on Warfarin for the blood clot and have circulation issues in my lower left leg which I am praying will resolve in time. It has been a little over six weeks since my surgery and I have the symptoms of a baker’s cyst and there is pain now while I walk (if there is a little bit of twisting action going on). I am worried that I should have never gotten the surgery because I could have lived without squatting, but the idea of now having pain while walking is making me regret my decision. I am hoping that this will heal in time. I would appreciate any thoughts. Thank you!

    • Karen, thanks for sharing your experiences. I can’t give you any specific answers or advice. I will say that Coumadin (Warfarin) does help to break up blood clots, but patients often need to take it for 3-6 months. Also it often takes patients many months to fully recover from partial meniscectomy and return to exercise and sports.

  13. Hi!
    I’m Tjitte Storm from the Netherlands and I recently had a partial medial menisectomy. Ca. 25% was removed on January 30th 2013, and they shaved my cartilage (2e degree Arthrosis) It was my left knee.
    Now hardly 2 weeks ago I can walk without too much pain.

    I was in good shape, liked grappling BJJ and some weightlifting for that sport. (No bodybuilding/powerlifting)

    There’s something that bothers me; when I’m standing I can lift my left knee without pain; I can bend it to 90 degrees zero problems………

    but…. when I lie on my back and raise my left leg up without bending (my toes pointing to the ceiling), and I trie to lower my foot down(bending the knee),
    It’s very painfull and the pain seems to be under the patella.

    I know it’s hardly two weeks after surgery but still I’m wondering if this is normal.
    I don’t think I’ve done too much; only walking (without too much pain) ,and I’ve taken my rest.

    Hope you can answer my question.

    Best Regards,

    Tjitte Storm

    • Thanks for the question. It is hard to say in your case, but I often see pain in the area around the patella or under it early after many knee surgeries. Often the knee swelling causes weakness of the quads, and stress concentrates in the patellofemoral region. usually as swelling decreases and strength improves, these symptoms do as well. Since I don’t know if that is the case with you, and can’t say specifically, I would ask the surgeon about it. Thanks again!

      • I appreciate your quick reply,

        Now 7 weeks later I still can’t do 1 singel squat or 1 leg extension (without weight) because of the pain;

        The nurse advised me to train the quads with painkillers?!? but even with painkillers I can’t do this exercises because of the pain, so I stopped immediately.
        It’s not just irritation but real pain.

        The pain is right under the patella. Normal walking and cycling doesn’t give me problems.

        Things are getting frustrating right now cause when I can’t train my quadriceps I quess I shouldn’t train my Hamstrings too much cause of the disbalance in muscle strength. The legs are getting thinner and thinner.

        The knee is still swollen.

        Are these complications normal ater 7 weeks by a healthy man?! or is it just me being impatient

        I have read the post operation report and overall it was very positive. Maybe they forgot to remove the camera?!

        Best regards,

        Tjitte Storm

  14. Hi
    I had a menisectomy done about ten years ago,i am now 34.Very active lifestyle play sports etc.! month ago i hurt my knee at work and after much xrayss,ultrasounds and eventually a mri,i was diagnosed with another tear in the same knee.I am now 1 week post surgery and im still struggling with swelling and pian.10 years ago i ws up an running within a week.Age i guess.My question is that my Dr indicated to me that he can see i had surgery done previuosly and that he can see arthritic changes in my knee.My questions is this,how much mensici di i have left and how quickly am i going to get artritis problems?Would it not make sense to replace my knee to prevent future suffering if the evidance have alreacy presented itself?

    • Only your surgeon can tell you how much meniscus you have left. In general, there is concern of future arthritis after surgery to remove part of the meniscus. But orthopaedic surgeons try to delay joint replacement as long as possible. Those prostheses wear out over time too, and revising them when they break down becomes an enormous operation. We try to hold off until the patient cannot perform any activities of daily living because of pain. That becomes a complex discussion between the patient and surgeon.

  15. Had a partial meniscectomy March 2012, male now 49, never been an athlete, active employment, enjoyed long brisk walks to maintain weight, rock fishing and walking though hills hunting. Now a broken man who hobbles around like a WWII veteran that got shot in the leg, If I’m lucky I get an hour or two pain free in the mornings straight out of bed, then it sets in, feels like it did pre surgery, pain on the inner side of the knee. Anti-inflammatory meds don’t help, can;t take narcotic meds due to employtment, can’t imagine ever doing what I used to do, have amassed so much weight due to inactivity which of course doesn’t help the knee any. So depressing. I dread every day , don’t know how long I can maintain my great job.

    • I understand your feeling, I am still recovering from meniscectomy and let me tell you its depressing thinking I may not be able to do many things as I used to do before.

      I just want to say never give up and everything will be ok as I know you will find a solution for this problem.

      this was an old post and I would like to know what has happened since then.



  16. Im studying the more advanced tequniques of massage. Meniscectomy is one of the areas im covering in my lastest assessment. Question being, What would be my considerations as a massage therapist if one of my Clients had this procedure? Have any of you seeked treatment via massage after this procedure to help relieve pain & was it effective? 🙂

    • I did not specifically go to a massage therapist after partial medial meniscectomy in both knees but did receive massage in PT a few times for muscular adhesion in my calfs. Extremely painful at the time but a huge relief.

      There is also the issue of rubbing out and breaking up excessive scar tissue from incision sites, which they also did for me. I never would’ve thought.

  17. Ten years post left partial meniscetomy (medial). Now, pain is located in that area – walking produces pain about 1/2 the time – and knee often feels… wobbly.
    Thanks for the response, Dr Geier

  18. I am a 68 year old female who is very active. I do pilates, yoga, weight training, and participate as an amateur in competitive ballroom dancing. I was practicing a turn and caught my toe on an uneven floor surface. A couple of days later, I began experiencing pain and instability at a very specific point on my inner right knee. Each day the problem increased. I went to an orthopedic surgeon. It was determined I have a meniscus tear and because I want to participate in a ballroom competition in 11 weeks, I am having meniscus repair surgery in a few days. My question is how soon can i begin practicing dancing (I will be doing other rehab for strengthening the quadriceps, and hamstring)? Also, is it realistic to think that I can return to my former strength so I can perform at the level I was before the injury? (And can I participate in the competition in 11 weeks?)

    • The goal with any patient undergoing a meniscus surgery is to try to get the patient back to the activities that he or she wants to do. There are many variables – repair vs partial meniscectomy, presence of arthritis, and more. How long a patient will be out depends largely on what procedure is done. When a patient is allowed to return to certain activities is a decision that can really only be made by the surgeon involved. I hope that helps!

  19. Hello! just recently came about this site, and really enjoy reading some of the answers. Im here to tell my story– back in late october of 2012 i tore my medial meniscus. I had a bucket handle tear, which caused my knee to lock up and well.. you know how that went. I was scheduled for a partial meniscectomy on november 26, 2012. I used crutches for that day, but the very next day i was up and walking and although it was sore, i rarely had pain. i followed up with PT for the next months to come, and was released to do some light jogging and soccer drills around 3 weeks post op. I ganied full ROM around 4 1/2 weeks to 5, but i did notice that i was experiencing most pain behind the knee then in the medial side. I did fairly well, and was even able to keep up with the local varsity teams at practice. finally at 6 weeks post op, i could kick a ball again fairly similar to how i used to before. but it wasn’t until 8 and 1/2 post op when i was released to play. I did well, no problems just again, the back of my knee was always very sore after activities, like soccer, running, and jumping. although i caught up with the ROM of my left knee, i still had a lot of pain in the back of my knee when i bent it. now, 4 months post op i still have the same pain in back of my knee sort of in the upper calf and thigh. doctors have told me that this is caused by tight hamstrings and calves but i stretch reguluarly, ice, and rest but still no pain in behind my knee. does anyone know what this could be from? i had the same exact pain even BEFORE my meniscectomy.

  20. I also forgot to mention, i am 17 years old, very active, and will undergo another surgery for a horizontal cleavage tear spanning from the posterior horn and anterior horn of my medial meniscus sometime in april. what procedure is usually performed for this type of tear? partial meniscectomy or repair?

    • Hi! How are you feeling now? Have the exact symptoms. Two menisectomies in the last 18 months. I am one month after the second one and the pain/soreness behind the knee reappeared

  21. I had my partial removal 10 days ago, I am 47 and overweight but pleased that I’m walking pretty normally .
    Still feel some pain and clicking in knee area and there is a swelling on the knee still- as my job involves quite a bit of lifting and standing all day i will need another two weeks off to continue ice and rest along with some knee exercise.

    When can I expect all fluid and swelling to be gone?

  22. I am a healthy and active 41 year old woman. I twisted my knee doing jumping exercises with my 5 years old daughter (what was I thinking!!) . Anyways, after the twist I started limping and having difficulties going up and down the stairs. The following days I just work out on my elliptical assuming would be OK since it is low impact on the knees and my pain was not severe. After approx. 5 days I woke up one morning with a super swollen knee and inability to fully straighten it. Went to an ortho who ordered MRI. The MRI showed a mild chondromalacia (?) and a longitudinal oblique meniscus tear on the lateral side. Problem is I don’t feel pain to the touch anywhere only when i put all my weight but is not where the tear is…my pain is in the inner side of the knee ..and is sharp and just seconds..feels like bone to bone, not sure how to describe it. A 2nd ortho told me he thinks my knee problem is being caused by the chondromalacia …Went to a 3dr doctor who told me “it is unusual that with a meniscus tear you don’t feel pain when i press on your knee (all over) but we need to do an arthroscopy to see what is blocking the mechanism and causing the knee lock”. Should I go for the arthroscopy even though no pain? or should I just wait and see if it unlocks by itself when all the swell is gone ? My ROM is not too bad but limited and knee feels stiff …the worse is not being able to straighten the leg and walk normal. Its been 6 weeks and now my back and other leg/knee is taking a toll I am resting as much as I can…surgery is tentatively scheduled in 3 weeks….should I go for it? or should I try something more conservative first i.e. cortisone shots..? What would you recommend considering no pain when the area where the tear is located is not painful….

    • I’m sorry, but I cannot give you advice about what you should do specifically. I would take the information from this post and the others on this blog about meniscal tears and surgery as well as the comments for more information generally on these injuries. Then discuss it with your surgeon.

  23. I am a 53 year-old male living in England, and have always been active. Last summer, I was a competing runner/cyclist, and had and damaged my left knee narrowly avoiding a cyclist speeding around a bend on a footpath, whilst I was running. As a result, I suffered a severe strain of my medial ligament, and after two months of physical therapy did not fully fix my knee, I was assessed by a surgeon who diagnosed a tear of my medial meniscus. I had an arthroscopic resection three months later, or five months after the accident. During that intervening time, I could not run a step without severe pain, struggled to walk, and nor could I walk up an down stairs properly. In short, I went from being a super-fit runner/cyclist to someone bordering on lame and really limited in what I could do. I could use our indoor rower, swim and cycle, but nothing really intense. I went from six to eight hours of exercise a week to barely two.

    Following the operation in early January, the surgeon found a parrot-beak tear and removed about 20% of my meniscus. He also found some very early grade 1 arthritis on my tibia, but said that this was nothing unusual and that my knee was in very good condition for my age and sporting history.

    When I asked if I could run again, he said it depended on whether I would be able to (I saw him just days after surgery), and what I wanted to do. In simple terms, he conservatively advised against any more half marathons/10Ks/cross-country races and regular road running, but encouraged jogging a few times a week on soft ground for the benefits of running. He also recommend exercise like cycling and rowing. But if running was my only passion, then I could do so if my knee allowed, but I should consider the risks. The main risk was accelerated arthritis.

    After six weeks of rehab, I tried a two mile run and it felt terrible. My knee swelled and hurt for days afterwards, so I gave up that idea for a while. However, I did a lot of weight training under guidance, increasingly used our indoor rower, cycled using a bike training to get those vital numbers for mapping progress, and quite a bit of swimming. In terms of strength training, I have really worked on my quads and hamstrings using dumb-bells and a new weights bench at home, and worked on flexibility. But it takes a lot of discipline to do all this.

    Yesterday, I jogged for thirty minutes on soft trails and it felt really good. I feel fine today. But I won’t run again for a couple of days at least. Other than that, I am now doing about 45 minutes of mixed exercise most days of the week.

    Before my operation, I did masses of research, and talked to as many people as I could about recovery and their experiences. I found this website invaluable. I also let health professionals assess me, and followed their advice to the letter. In short, I take it as given that they know far more than I do, and have seen much more. Moreover, there is no substitute for actual assessments by health professionals.

    Other than these important lessons, I have also learnt that all of us are different, we will all respond differently to treatment, and as for the future, all bets are off. I have noticed some common patterns in experiences, though. Firstly, I think we have to accept that we have to make adjustments to our lifestyles following surgery. Secondly, anyone wanting to resume serious load-bearing sports might be able to do so, but there are significant risks. I was told this, and my surgeon said that I could probably have a good few more years of serious road running, but could get serious bone-on-bone arthritis within five to ten years. He added that our hospital would not be very pleased if that happened, as it is largely avoidable.

    So I have stopped competitive running, and plan to do varied sports recreationally to keep fit and strong for as long as I can. This is easier for me, though, after more than three decades of competing – if I were younger, I would find it much harder to adapt. But I have met those who do – I know a cyclist in his 30s who switched from soccer, for example, after three meniscus operations in his early 20s.

    Lastly, I would like to thank Dr Geier and everybody else who has shared their experiences – it has made a massive difference for me.

  24. Hi. I was wondering if you could comment on stem cell therapy in lieu of or in addition to a partial meniscectomy? I am a 49 year old, reasonably fit, female who has a medial tear, and some evidence of arthritis on MRI, but no prior arthritic symptoms. I injured my meniscus while working out. My surgeon says he needs to remove 30-40% of the meniscus.
    I have been trying to research stem cell companies such as Regenxx, etc.. Thank you in advance for your insight.

    • There is little data on stem cell treatments for meniscal tears. While we hope that stem cell treatments one day can return damaged articular cartilage or meniscal tissue to normal after damage, there isn’t much data to show that it is definitively effective at this point.

  25. I had a partial minisectomy in my left knee about two weeks ago and noticed that when I turn quickly once in a while it feels like it gives out quickly. I’m 17 and have had both a meniscus repair and minisectomy in my right knee already. The minisectomy in the right knee felt great immediately. The one in the left knee seems to not feel right. Any ideas as to what this may be? Is it just not done healing fully yet?

    • Kollin, I really cannot give you a specific answer to your question, as I a, not involved in your care. Often swelling in the knee after knee arthroscopy can give patients the subjective sensation of instability. Measures to decrease swelling and working hard on their own of with physical therapists can help overcome those feelings.

  26. Hi!

    Hoping to get your professional opinion on my partial meniscectomy. I underwent the procedure mid 2009. I was teaching in Korea at the time, so communication was an issue, as was time off for physiotherapy.

    It took me a long time to get back to regular activities, but to this day, after playing a more demanding sport such as basketball or squash, my knee will swell for a day or two.

    Is this normal? I do my best to apply the RICE acronym after playing sports, but m somewhat worried that perhaps the surgery didn’t go well. I’ve also had strange locking at times when walking, thipough after recently losing about 20 lbs, that has stopped, possibly coincidentally.

    Your response would be much appreciated, and thanks for the info!

    • I really cannot say without examining you. Generally the RICE treatments are helpful after joint swelling for any reason. If a patient has mechanical symptoms of the knee, such as locking, catching or giving way, it is usually a good idea to see his surgeon and see if there is a worrisome problem causing them.

  27. Dr. Geier,

    I’m 33, very active, and 4 months into recovering from my second meniscectomy on my left knee (sports injury). My pro rehab was virtually nil. I’ve been spinning, walking, and doing light activity, but still have stiffness daily.

    My question is, is it too soon to return to body weight resistance training, like body squats, lunges, etc., that typically stress the knee joint? I’ve trained over 10 years and use proper techniques.

    Also, when would be a good time to start adding more weight, such as barbell squats and weighted lunges?

    I’m concerned it’s too soon, mostly due to the daily stiffness and, occasional, mild throbbing that follows after light leg workouts (no swelling thankfully).


    • That is a complicated answer, and you would probably get many different opinions from different sports medicine doctors. If patients are still experiencing symptoms after a knee surgery, I often slow them down if it is simply a problem of doing too much too soon. I also examine them to determine if there is a structural cause for the swelling, pain or other symptoms. Also generally I don’t mind squats and leg presses early in a rehab because the feet are fixed to the floor. The quads and hamstrings can both fire to protect the knee. I usually have patients drop the weight down and focus on higher reps, and I usually have them stay above 90 degrees of flexion. If those exercises are safe in your case really can only be determined by your surgeon. Hope that helps!

  28. Hi! I’m a 36 year old female who underwent a partial medial meniscectomy on July 9, 2012 with bone shaving. it’s now almost been a year, and I’m still having pain, swelling ( after activities) and still can’t bend my knee all the way. I was thinking of going back to see my ortho, but am curious if this may be normal and should give it more time to heal? I miss the free range movement I had and was hoping this was going to be better much quickly then it has.

    • I think that anyone who cannot do the activities that she wants to do as well as she wants should see her doctor or sports medicine surgeon and try to determine a cause and outline a treatment plan. That’s probably a good rule of thumb for any injury and not just after surgery.

  29. drdavidgeier my name is jay jimenez i am currently in the army. the back of my knee is stiff and the lateral menicus is swollen after running or doing squats. it gets annoying taking meds and iceing everyday just to be able to run or play sports.

  30. Hi am 37 years old female who underwent a partial medial meniscectomy on March 27/2013. they said:” Degenerative changes, medial compartment. Grade II to III on the femoral side. Grade II on the tibial side. Medial meniscus found intact”. what this mean? they sent me physiotherapy and I am doing exercises but I can raise my leg up and I am lambing when I am walking feeling pain. before the surgery I was feeling great pain when I was walking nothing alse. now my knee is worse then before.

    • I can’t give you any advice or specific information on what your surgery entailed. Grades 1-4 changes are descriptive terms used to described the degree of articular cartilage breakdown – essentially ways to grade the severity of the arthritis.

  31. Hello,
    I am a 33 year old male and stay active lifting weights 5 days a week. I had a partial lateral meniscectomy just over four weeks ago. My doctor was able to save about 50% of the meniscus, which is great because I was worried that they might have to remove the entire thing. I have had knee pain and my knee would lock on me whenever I put pressure on the lateral side of my lower leg. I am hoping that this solves the locking issue since it has prevented me from doing a lot of lifts and exercises.

    I still have some swelling but over all the pain in the knee is gone. I am able to walk and go up stairs with no problems. The issue that I am having is a numb feeling on the lateral/lateral anterior side of my calf from the knee to the ankle. This is a sensation that I did have once in awhile before the surgery. But now I have a sharp pain in this area if the leg is rubbed a certain way. Do you believe this could be nerve damage from the knee injury? (I was having knee issues for about ten years before getting it repaired). I was also thinking that it might be a result from the swelling pushing down on the nerve or even a slight case of sciatica.

    Loving all the information on this page. Very informative. Thank You.

    • Josh, without being involved, I’m not sure I can tell you what is causing your symptoms. I would address it with your surgeon at your next visit. Numbness usually results from some sort of nerve issue, although at least in my experience, I haven’t seen nerve injuries from a routine knee arthroscopy. Certainly other causes of swelling, pain, and numbness – like some of the ones you mention – could be present and are worth having a surgeon look into. Wish I could give you more specific information! Thanks for the comments on the site!

  32. I hope this helps someone because I had to learn the hard way. I had my first meniscus tear surgery about 15 years ago. I have had 3 surgeries – 2 on my right knee and 1 on my left knee. I was walking up and down hills, going to classes, thinking it was great exercise at the age of 47. I wanted to get my degree so I had gone back to college. I did everything the doctor told me to do but I still had to have more surgery. My internal doctor told me one day when I complained to him that it takes “2” years for any surgery to be “really” better. This calmed me down. Surgery #3 didn’t want to get well. I thought the doctor was beginning to think I just wanted more pain pills some doctors do. Finally after trips back and forth, swelling and pain my surgeon called in a back doctor. This doctor had me bend over the table as he injected needles into some small muscles around the top of my waist. This broke up the muscles that was causing the pain in my knee. Just like that – I walked out of his office pain free from my knee. I was told if my right knee ever gave me more trouble I would probably have to have a complete knee surgery. Now, here it is 2013. My left knee is giving me the same problems as before. I have really tried to protect both of my knees since surgery. I walk up stairs but I ride the elevator down. I watch the heels of my shoes and the time I spend in them. I can’t squat or bend my knee at all because the pain is horrible. It is swollen all around my knee cap. I had back surgery 3 years ago and my hip is feeling like some blunt object is drilling itself a hole. All of this is on my left side. Find a good surgeon, get 2nd opinion, buy up some foods that can be put in the microwave, get some good movies, find a loyal friend and pray. It doesn’t go away when it starts unless you believe that God can heal it. That’s always possible. Good Luck and God Bless you, Barbara

  33. Had pmm one month ago. Within 10 days had zero pain and almost complete range of motion. About a week later started to feel a little pain again and one month later am limping, in pain….throbbing burning spasming pain. So disappointed and hoping this is a normal temporary setback. Icing and rest have not seemed to help. Please tell me this normally can happen and is not my future life. I cannot even walk a block…..

  34. I had 40% meniscus removal on May 14, 2013. Today is 15 days out from surgery. I am back at work. Standing all day (work in automotive industry). Weight train (4 days per week) and run (three days per week). I have already begun my lower body workouts with lighter weight than I am used to using. Knee is still swelling at the end of the day……I just push through this as I am determined to get my muscle back that I lost due to the injury 6 weeks ago. Never stopped the upper body workouts. I feel like I am doing very well. Turns out I have a “discoid meniscus” so even though he removed 40%…..I am still left with almost a normal sized meniscus.

  35. Hello – I had lateral meniscus surgery 2 months ago and all was great until I was hanging a picture on the wall and stepped off the stool about 2 feet off the floor on my post op leg. I felt the pain extend from one end of my leg to the other. My knee feels swollen now and I do apply ice and take anti-inflammatory meds. What are the changes that I have re-injured my knee?

    • It’s is hard for me to say in your case. Typically we look for localized pain along the joint line and new onset of locking or catching. If symptoms such as these persist, we might order an MRI to see if a patient has retorn the meniscus.

  36. Hi David,

    I had a Sports injury 2 years back, which cost me grade 2 meniscus tear,
    I have been following up with several doctors since then, have been habituated to knee braces now. i feel pain while walking & certain leg movements.
    I have prepared myself for Arthoscopy but most of the doctors denying need of surgery,
    However now its 2 years & i am still leaving with the pain.

    I have done several sessions of IFT, ultra-sound phsio.
    Medciations like Collafex( collagen powder).

    if it has to heal itself ,then it should hv healed by now.,
    What should be my next step of treatment

  37. Just checking in again. Three weeks post partial meniscectomy and ran three miles yesterday. Started out a little painful, but I pushed through it. My last mile was virtually painless. Woke up to a much less swollen knee too. Still doing great!!!

  38. Hello Dr. Geier!

    I am a 20 year old male, very active and involved with sports and exercise. I have scoured the internet trying to find an answer to my questions but have not come across any stories of similar symptoms and background. Basically, in March of this year, while playing basketball; I felt my knee twist and knew something was wrong. I went to the emergency room after a few days hoping that the pain would just go away, but it didn’t. Went to the emergency room and was diagnosed with an LCL sprain. Under this diagnosis I assumed my athletic performance would return soon. And for the first two months I slowly regained ability.

    But progress has halted..I would say at 85% functionality. A majority of people mention “knee locking” and “clicking” or “pain walking” but I experience none of these. I walk as if I had no injury and ride my bike (several miles a day) without pain. The only time I feel pain or limitations is when I exert the knee in an intense athletic movement, such as change of direction on a tennis baseline or full power jump in basketball. I am not the same athlete as I was. I cannot dunk and I cannot accelerate as fast, but the pain is manageable as long as I do not try to force myself through the pain.

    So, because progress was stopped, I got an MRI revealing what the orthopedic surgeon believes is a radial tear in the lateral meniscus. Additionally there is a small cyst from leaked fluid.

    My concern is that with the surgery I will be hampered later on athletically. Thus my main questions are these:

    – Is surgery a better option in my case? I can do all non-athletic things 100% and there is no locking or clicking in theknee. But am not at 100% when playing sports.
    – Does a partial meniscectomy enable an athlete to return prior form?
    – What are the future implications of leaving a torn lateral meniscus intact? As in not removing any of the cartilage.

    Thank you for your time Dr. Geier! I know you’re a busy man from your extensive information around the website. All the best and thanks for any help/answers/clarification you can provide!

    – Ryan

    P.S I am taking my MCAT in one week (June 20), and currently I hope to go into pediatrics. Your entire system of providing health information thoughtfully and consistently is a model I hope to achieve someday! You are awesome!

    • Ryan, thanks so much for the kind words! I cannot give you specific medical advice, but I can comment generally about meniscal tears. The concerns with leaving a meniscus tear in the knee without surgery is that it could propagate and require more being removed later. Also most people just don’t get much better without surgery. Generally athletic people do return to sports and exercise after a partial meniscectomy. I hope that helps! Good luck on the MCAT!

      • Yes, it absolutely does! I really appreciate your insight 🙂 I hope to later comment on how I have progressed, as it may help or give more clarification to their situation! Thanks again Dr. Geier…now back to MCAT study..

        • 18 Months ago I wrote as an injured, scared young man facing knee surgery. Like I wrote then, I was not the same athlete while living with the meniscus tear. Could not accelerate, dunk, cut on a soccer field; I literally felt like a different person.

          But today, 22 years old and 18 months post-surgery, I feel great! I want to let you, Dr. Geier, and any reader (especially those similar to me, in terms of activity and fitness levels) that I have made a recovery to 100%. In fact I think I have more explosiveness now than I did before the tear! But that is certainly due to training, not the surgery itself lol

          I would say that after the surgery on June 25, 2013 I needed assisted walking for a week at the most. And I was actually back on the tennis court two weeks, albeit very limited in knee movement. Each week I continued to get better and better. It was exciting to finally be healing and on the way to 100%. That September (2013) I joined an intramural flag football team. I played QB I was probably already at 90% pre-tear functionality!

          And during mid-late August 2013 I played sand volleyball every night. I was scared to jump and go for a spike, but I was ok! I remember feeling totally great. Until I started wrestling another guy and a felt my knee start to give out. Point is…DONT PUSH YOURSELF TOO FAR TOO FAST. By the time December rolled around I was definitely back to 100% 🙂 And today nearing 2015, I am the same explosive athlete I used to be!!

          The bet way I can explain my experience after a partial menisectomy is that I returned to 100% ability, but I could not/ and still cannot maintain the activity for as long. Additionally standing for more than a few hours at a time is pretty killer; I can just feel it begin to swell and weaken. But perhaps that is do to some kind of fluid buildup in the knee.

          Is having a knee drained after a partial menisectomy common, or even possible Dr. Geier? Because If I could return to the duration at which I performed atheltics, that would be incredible!! Thanks for the help!

          I never did rehab (could not afford it and did not have insurance) so maybe that is a reason I still feel tenderness in my knee after sports. Regardless I hope someone can feel a little more comfortable before their surgery knowing that a return to complete functionality is possible!

          • Thanks for sharing your experiences. Typically draining knees after the surgery is not necessary, but every patient is different.

  39. Hey I recently had an lcl lateral corner reconstruction and acl,, with this came with a huge hole in the meniscus which made sure I couldn’t walk at all.. Had an menisceptomy it’s ok I can walk 6weeks on after being on crutches non weight bearing for 6weeks basically just wondered

    In the meniscus area it’s still real sensitive and sometimes get a pain there.. My OS said he has tried to recreate and fill the hole so basically it’s a new part of cartilage, should I be worried that its still super sensitive and has odd pain with the odd clicking? Just worried cause I wanna play soccer again.. Hoping that this is normal

    • Sorry Matt, you need to ask your surgeon. I can’t know the answer without being involved, doing your surgery, and/or examining your knee.

  40. Sorry when I mean sensitive it’s like a slight burning sensation to, sensitive to being touched to.. 6n half weeks post surgery

  41. Hi I’m a 39 yr old fit and healthy female from the UK
    I had a medial menisectomy and pfj chondroplasty exactly 7 days ago. I am following the rehab programme given by my physiotherapist. I was full weight bearing immediately post op with little pain.
    However a week in I am only able to tolerate an hour walking/standing on my leg without considerable pain and swelling. Is this normal? I am a nurse and due back at work next Friday and my. Job involves 8 hours on my feet. I am also very sporty but my main concern is being able to do my job at the minute…. Many thanks

    • I would address your concerns with your surgeon and get his or her opinion. But in general, swelling, pain, stiffness and weakness can be present for weeks after knee arthroscopy. Most often it isn’t a sign of anything bad, but patients should work to get back to normal as quickly as possible.

  42. 40yo female athlete. I had a partial lateral meniscectomy and lateral patella chondroplasty 6 days ago. The origination of the pain was behind my knee (lateral) and this pain is far worse post surgery than it was pre-surgery. I am still on crutches and if I go without crutches have a significant limp. Does this pain behind the knee make sense as part of the recovery from this procedure? Thanks in advance….

    • I can’t honestly say without being involved. It is not uncommon to have pain after surgery from swelling, stiffness, the work done inside the knee and more. I would talk to your surgeon about it and make sure that everything is normal.

  43. I 45 obese not fit but I was walking every day. After a fall while climbing over a fence I was unable to put any weight on my leg without it giving way. It took 4 months to get into surgery during which time I was on crutches. I have now had a partial meniscectomy and had the tears in my medial, lateral and ACL ligaments trimmed. After 6 weeks I am finally off crutches and walking with a limp. My hamstrings and calf are very tight and I am trying to stretch out. The lateral side of the knee is numb and swollen and below my kneecap feels tight and painful. I seem to be very slow in recovering even though do all the exercises and ride a stationary bike. Wondering if this is just because of my excess weight and the length of time it took to get in to see the specialist.

    • Unfortunately I can’t really say since I was not involved in your surgery or seeing you as you physician now. Weight can slow recovery by adding to the stress the knee bears with every step. But I would check with your surgeon and get his opinion.

  44. What is your opinion of Synvisc shots every 6 months. I just had surgery 8 weeks ago for a moderate miniscus tear. I still have pain in and around my knee. I’m an avid golfer and tried to play with no success. My Doctor told me to be patient and start 3 weekly sesions of knee excersize, no golf for 2 months. My first shot will be in Sept. Any thoughts?

    • I am generally not opposed to patients trying viscosupplementation. I rarely talk them into it, though, as the data is equivocal. Having said that, many patients with early arthritis changes get good relief of pain.

  45. I had this procedure done august 2nd. Last Friday morning. Had a medial meniscus tear. I am healthy and exercise regularly. Healing seems to be going well. At what point can I put body weight on leg that was operated on? Using crutches at moment. What can happen if I do so too soon and how would I know if something went wrong?

    • I can’t say specifically in your case because I’m not involved. Weightbearing too early on a meniscus repair potentially jeopardizes the healing of the meniscus. For a partial meniscectomy, weightbearing generally is not restricted, but being too aggressive can increase pain and swelling in the first few days or weeks.

  46. Hey!
    I had an acl reconstuction 8 months back and a partial meniscectomy for buckethandle tear 2 weeks back.
    I have no pain..I feel acl has completely healed.
    But I would like to know if I can get back at athleticsm, mainly long ump.
    Will long jump be okay?
    I will work hard, do my sports therapy well and be careful…but will long jump as an event cause me any injuries?

  47. Sir, Im 22 and while playing football, i heard a crack and my knee ‘locked’ with extreme pain while I was extending it too much. MRI showed a grade II medial meniscus tear with partial ACL tear as well. After following up with surgeons, physical therapy there is no pain or hardly any pain except that on some shocks or extreme stress, it gives way with extreme pain or locks and opens only after three-seven days. The surgeon said that if symptoms persist go for partial minescectomy. I wanted to know if u can advise me on the following things:

    1. What part is ACL playing in the injury and symtomps? Will it ever heal and is there any surgery possible or advisable?
    2. If i continue exercise and physical therapy do i have a chance of healing and removing the symptom of locking/giving way which is the only problem that is restriciting me living a full life.

    Your views will be just taken as of advisory nature. Please reply to the fullest. Thank you! 🙂

  48. I am 15 years old and had a partial meniscectomy on May 07, 2013. I stayed in recovery mode for a while and then started PT. I got clearance to resume physical activity for August 01,2013 (I play high school football.) I started warming up with the team and did some light running. I also started running some basic drills and during one drill I was hit on the injured knee by another player’s knee. Since then I have had fluid build up and swelling. I don’t want another MRI. I am hoping the fluid and swelling will go away. Do you think it will heal on its own? If so, about how long should I expect to not play football?
    Thank you.

  49. My knee was amazing for two weeks after a partial maniscus removal. I had an extensive lateral bucket handle tear and 50% of my maniscus was removed. I came off all painkillers after two days and was walking up and down the stairs. I had pain but not bad . The only swelling was around the satures. However after three weeks I started to limp , my knee became really tight . I had a lot of swelling above the knee, that I didn’t have after surgery. It’s so confusing because my physio said it didn’t matter that I did a 40 min walkk 3 weeks after surgery as long as I had no pain , which I didn’t. I now don’t know if iv’e just done too much too soon or whether iv’e torn it again as it’s making snapping noises on changing direction when moving about and I cant bend it anywhere near as well as I did after the op. It have difficulty walking down the stairs and go one leg at a time,which I wasn’t even doing before my op. I also had my leg lock up when driving one day and had terrible pain and couldn’t change gear. Then after walking it seemed ok again. I am seeing the surgeon in a few weeks and hope it isn’t torn again.

  50. I am 46 years old and had a partial meniscectomy in the summer of 2001, more than twelve years ago. I had been an avid runner and marathoner and tore the meniscus playing tennis. I have been pain free but refrained from running this entire time.

    However, I love running and no other exercise has been as pleasurable or “stuck” with me and I am starting to really feel like running again. Would this be at all advisable? Would the fact that I waited so long and am now so much more middle-aged help? Very eager to hear your reply.

    • I usually allow my patients to return to whatever sport or type of exercise they like after partial meniscectomy. Obviously there are many other factors, but one of the goals is to get people back to the activities they want to do. Running is stressful for the knees, but people like to do it.

      • Thanks so much for taking the time to reply! I have begun a 13-week run-walk program to try to ease myself back into it!! In the third week now and so far so good!

      • I am 16 years old and it has been almost three months since meniscectomy for my lateral meniscus. I felt really good after surgery and started running about two weeks after surgery. I play competitive soccer and my surgeon cleared me to be back after a month. Everything felt really good except my leg got reasonably tired because of it’s loss of muscle. I only did PT for 2-3 weeks because I felt so good. But last weekend I participated in a soccer tournament consisting of 4 eighty minute games which I barely made it through. My top outer knee has been swollen since (a week). It is fine to walk around but running and soccer is too much. Hoping I didn’t push it too far, and I’m not sure how long I should be taking off soccer to rest it. I ice several times a day on and off and swelling has barely gone down. Your opinion would be much appreciated. Thanks.

        • I can’t really say, but an athlete can overly stress his or her knee doing too much before he or she is back to 100%. Taking time to rest and regain strength is often enough, but an orthopaedic surgeon can determine if any damage has been done.

  51. Hi, I am a 15 year-old male athlete and have been diagnosed with a bucket-handle tear in my lateral meniscus , I am scheduled to have surgery next week (at which time the injury will be four weeks old) My question is… My surgeon is pushing to repair rather than re-section? What should I do?

    • I can’t tell you what to do. I think if there is ever a chance to repair a patient’s meniscus, it is a good idea to try. Potentially preserving the meniscus to serve as a shock absorber can be important long term.

  52. Hello Dr.
    I had my menisectomy roughly 3 weeks ago and I do some improvement with knee mobility. I used to play college soccer and dreamed of being special forces in the army but I know I wont get accepted with this condition. I wanted to ask what type of sports/activities can I do before arthritis begins? Before the injury my knee would not bend to full capacity but in you opinion what is an appropriate recovering time for this type of procedure?

    • People return to activities between 2-6 weeks generally, although in my experience, full recovery can take 4-5 months. There are many factors in recovery, including the condition of the knee. I generally allow patients to return to the sports and exercise they want to play. While arthritis can develop later, I don’t routinely make people give up sports they want to play either.

  53. hello dr.
    my son just had acl reconstruction and a partial lateral menisectomy. he is 15 years old. 6’2′ 275 and is incredibly strong. he plays football and is in throwing events in track and field. he has alot of rehab ahead of him. my question is, will he be able to continue in these sports and be eventually able to lift in the capacity he was pre injury. will he be able to bear the weight of heavy training? he injured his right knee and thats his weight bearing pivot leg in throwing events. he could squat a lot of weight . i ask this because after rehab i want to focus on what he can do and stay away from things that will put his knee in jeopardy. he is a division 1 type athelete.

    • Generally the goal of ACL and meniscus surgery is to allow athletes to return to all sports and exercise, even demanding ones. It is hard to give you advice on what specifically to avoid since I was not involved in his surgery.

  54. Hi,
    I am a 49 year old woman. I had a partial lateral menisectomy when I was in my 20’s. I have been very active without any problems. Last year, I was trail running, helping my son get ready for hockey tryouts. My left knee (the one I had surgery on) started hurting while downhill running on the lateral side, right at the outside of the knee cap. I kept running on it and it got progressively worse over 2 months until I couldn’t run uphill without pain or on the flat ground. It did start swelling. It was not painful to press on it, anywhere. Since it only hurt when I pushed off or landed on my knee, I decided to hop on it to find out where the pain was so I could explain it to the Doctor. This one small action caused excruciating pain and I could not walk on it or go up or down the stairs. It felt completely unstable and I walked like a 90 year old. The strangest thing was I could not flex my quad, at all. It took 6 months before I could walk without a terrible limp. After 9 months I could finally lift my straight leg off the floor without that awful tearing pain at the lateral side of my kneecap. I finally got my mri which showed minor degenerative changes, mild condromalacia, sinovitis, and an anterior horn tear extending into the body of the lateral meniscus and mild tendinosis of the patellar tendon. After 1 year I can run slowly without pain in bare feet but not in running shoes. There is no pain around my knee. However I still cannot straighten it fully but it is close. I can flex my quad again. I have no pain going up and down the stairs but for some reason, I can’t hike down hills properly. No problem on the uphill. When it swells, it tends to be above my kneecap. I am scheduled for arthroscopy but I delayed it because my knee is still making (slow) progress. Do you think the problems running (pushing off and landing) and walking downhill are a result of the meniscus tear itself or something else, especially if it is still getting better? I thought meniscus tears didn’t get better. Thanks for any insight you could provide. P.S. I really don’t want to do anything that is going to accelerate degenerative changes to my knee (eg. unnecessary surgery)

    • I can’t give you any specific information or advice without being involved in your care. Generally trying to determine if symptoms are the result of a meniscus tear versus osteoarthritis can be very difficult. Running can cause pain, swelling, and more from either cause.

  55. I was wanting to know i had surgurey on my knee for the menescus ( iI know spelled wrong there will be lots of that im sorry for it to just bare with me ) and iI guess my inner is how it was explanned was unfixable and the sid was parcail repair and removal he also did a bi-latural releasement well that was just over a year ago and iI took a little tumble and iI mean little my knees hurt bad both could iI have done something they both catch and ache and give out please what should iI do please help me out with some advice thank you so much

  56. Just had partial meniscus surgery 07/17/13 to remove torn meniscus and loose fragments. Have stage 3 arthritis in knee. Had this problem for 25 years
    So far pain in knee is less However, surgery has caused
    major weakness AS KNEE IS STIFF. cannot walk properly, run or walk up and down stairs. Still have some pain. Advice do not have surgery unless absolutely necessary Cortisone shots helped a lot
    before surgery.Try to let it heal is my best advice.
    You will save you yourself a lot of disappointment

    • Thanks for this post,I have a torn meniscus and was scheduled for surgery (partial medial meniscectomy) 11/13/2015 and decided not to do it, if you read everyone’s knee is either swollen, stiff,hurts,or something else is wrong do. The line after they remove part of your meniscus even if it’s torn and hurts at least I can drive,clean and walk without limping or swelling so I am going to look for alternative medicine,thanks for your post,God bless 🙂


  57. Hi David,

    Four years ago, when I was 29 I tore my lateral-posterior meniscus on my left knee while jogging lightly.

    I was formerly a varsity football player and never had problems with my knees while playing.

    Since those four years I have always tried to do low-impact exercise, but recently I decided to play frisbee a couple-of-times. I got excited and began to run harder. Since then, I have had constant discomfort in my knee right where the meniscus was removed.

    I feel a constant pinching feeling. My question is whether or not I have done permanent damage to it?

    Do you have any suggestions on what I should do?

    Thank you so much.

    • I really cannot give you a specific answer to your question, as I haven’t seen you as a patient or examined you or seen any radiographic studies. It is not uncommon for patients to develop pain where part of a meniscus was removed. What can be challenging is to figure out whether a new meniscus tear has occurred, if articular cartilage damage/arthritis has developed in that area, or if there is some other cause of pain. You might consider seeing your orthopaedic surgeon again for evaluation of your knee.

  58. 38 yo, cyclist and active men .
    I torn my medial meniscus while squating down, etc…(usual)
    3 weeks after the injury the MRI revealed a tear in buckle handle. Arthroscopy surgery was strongly adviced (i was fiven a 2 day notice). I was shocked since my knee was getting better everyday, with a slight blocage of the extention.

    Surgery went well, i thought, with 20% of the inner medial removed. No pains and no swelling for 2 weeks. Now,3 weeks later, pain appeared after a less than intelligent physical therapist gave me electrodes to the point of a contracture to the quadricep. Be aware, do not use electrodes..
    The pain was in the knee cap. I used a good masseur to relieve the quadricep.

    Worse: i have varus legs and i fell that the varus angle in my operated knee (right) has increased and the knee is also starting to give me articular pain after light walks. also the right foot feels flatter it seems. i may add to have some fever in parts of the day. I will see the surgeon on tuesday the 15th.

    At this point i wish i had not done this, but was there any alternatives???

  59. I had a partially meniscectomy on the medial side of my right knee almost six weeks ago. im still in pain and its hard to walk or stand for long periods of time. I wish it would go away because it is affecting my mood and my quality of life. my surgeon doesn’t believe that I still have pain. Im in misery because my job requires me to be on my feet 8 hours a day.

    • Nicole: Boy could I identify with your comments. I am now just past 4 weeks post op and every single day, I wonder if what I am experiencing is “normal”. I tolerate the physical therapy, but other than when I first get out of bed in the morning, I have stiffness, some pain and swelling every afternoon and evening, especially around the incision sites. I an constantly told “well, that’s typical”. I, like you, am finding that this is affecting my mood and quality of life; the physical therapist always seems to be a little surprised when I always relate the everyday symptoms. When I’m sitting down, I find myself dreading having to get up to do something; I’m an active person and such thoughts are really weighing on my emotions and mood. Please know that I’m thinking about you Nicole! Hopefully we’ll both improve!!

      • Same predicament… i am almost 4 weekes after my 2nd menisectomy. Have your conditions improved? That would be comforting to hear you guys got better with time.

  60. My17 year old son had a meniscus tear 7 weeks ago. he has no pain at this time and wants to delay the surgery is that possible.he’s also very active once to finish football season.and then possibly finish the surgery. is that possible to do.

    • Most athletes with a meniscus tear have pain that continues without surgery. If one can play without surgery, he might be able to wait until after the season. It is possible that the patient’s tear progresses or increases in size.

  61. Hi

    As per the MRI report, there were one complex redial tear and other tears on anterior and posterior halves on lateral meniscus of right knee.

    I had a partial meniscectomy on lateral meniscus on 16-Oct-2013. I had seen the video of surgery and it looks like 40-50 % of meniscus has been trimmed off around radial tear and now it is in even shape (not in the “C” shape).

    Till the time I was on partial rest and was at home, I was felling some stiffness, loss of movement (like bones are rubbing to each other). But yesterday(29-Oct-2013) after I joined office(went by taxi and walked around .75 km in whole day), I started feeling pain and more loss of movement.
    Are these symptoms of osteoarthritis? Normally how much time it takes to recover from the surgery.

    I am now thinking I was better before the surgery and felling very scared of the future situation.

    • I can’t say specifically in your case, but pain two weeks out from surgery could just be swelling and stiffness from the procedure and not anything more serious. I would ask you orthopaedic surgeon.

  62. I had arthroscopic meniscus surgery 6 weeks ago. 80 % of my meniscus was saved. and it was a complicated fix. I was told there is some possible arthritus and cartilage damage. have my 6 week follow up this week. I am 38 yrs of age. I have played soccer at a high level my entire life. I have been experiencing pain and sharp pain at times. I have been in PT 3 times a week. I walk with discomfort and light pain at times and other times i feel no pain, it comes and goes throughout a day. very frustrating. is the pain normal at this stage?

    • I can’t say if your pain is normal since I was not involved in your diagnosis or surgery. It is not uncommon for maximum improvement after partial meniscectomy to take several months. Your surgeon can likely give you a better answer based on your actual procedure.

  63. Hi Dr. Geier!,
    I had a partial medial minscectomy last Oct. 16, 2013, it’ has been 3 weeks post op. swelling subsided already and started to attend PT sessions. my question is, would you recommend that i take glucosamine 1500mg OD or collagen capsules? is there enough evidence based on these meds? thank you!

    • I can’t offer you any specific recommendations, but I don’t think there is any research to definitively argue that any patient absolutely should take those medications.

  64. I’m a 51 year old female, had meniscual repair on right knee after injuring it. Kneecap also had to be drilled w/holes and hyperextended during surgery. 1 week after surgery had needle full of fluid drained off and was suffering from severe sciatia pain. Ended up 3 weeks later having to have a discectomy removing L5 disk which was impinging my sciatia nerve. I need to know, how often does this type of situation occur?

    • I haven’t heard of that particular scenario, but again, I am not involved in your care and cannot speculate on your medical issues.

  65. Im 16 and I was working out in weights when my knee twisted and popped and gave way on me. I then got horrible pains shhooting hroughout my knee later on in the day. I’ve elevated i and put ice on it. Do you have any ideas about what I did to my knee?

    • Unfortunately without examining you, I cannot really say what you might have done. If you or anyone has continued pain, swelling, locking, catching, or giving way of the knee, he or she might consider seeing an orthopaedic surgeon.

  66. I m 35 years old,athletic and overweight
    Had surgery (partial menisectomy) two weeks ago
    Doctor said I should use crutches only until yesterday but I ‘m still not able to walk without using one,physiotherapist says no need to worry

  67. Hi,
    I am 22 years old, i got meniscus tear on 29 sept now i am able to walk but getting sudden jerks as if something happened and pain for just 2 mins,as i walk around 10-15 steps sudden jerk happens.can you tell me why it happens ?

  68. Hi doc. It has been 8 months post menisectomy. I am in pt 2-3 x week , leg still is atrophic but getting better. I play only ice hockey as main athletic activity.
    My issue is with the lax knee I feel it is unstable, wants to give out. Im working to get vmo stronger but wonder if there might be something else that is causing the sublaxation.?
    Same knee has acl reconstructed using hamstring. The acl operation was performed 10 years ago…and with sedentary lifestyle..The leg was never really strong.


  69. I am a 55 year old female that had ACL repair on left knee followed with miniscus repair on my right knee. My ACL repair went great and I expected the same or better with me right knee. The miniscus repair has been disappointing. I had the surgery in March and now in December if I walk in a hilly area, my right knee becomes quite painful. I don’t notice pain when walking on flat ground. What causes me so much pain when walking up and down hills? Is there enough cartilage left to protect my knee joint when walking up and down hills? Is there anything I can do to alleviate this problem? I love to walk and do not want to lose this activity to a painful knee.

    • Unfortunately without seeing your knee by exam, x-ray and MRI, and arthroscopy, I can’t give you a real answer. Often pain with hills and stairs originates from under the kneecap. Your orthopaedic surgeon could better tell you if your pain is due to arthritis changes, weakness from the surgeries, failure of the surgery or other issue.

  70. I had a minscectomy at the end of April 2013 in Aspen and i never felt like it was healed I did PT for 3 months but my mobility was not what I was expecting and the pain was constant.
    I moved to Seattle and went to a new doctor he recommended more PT so I did that for a month but no change. So I had another MRI and a tear was found.
    I had surgery 11 days ago and the knee feels 100% better than the first surgery.
    I think the first surgeon did not do a good job.
    My opinion is that everyone should see a good surgeon in a big city.

  71. Hello my is Dylan I’m 22 years old and over the course of 14 months suffered 2 acl tears ( have never had knee problems pre-injury. My most recent surgery took place October 18th 2013 and I had an acl reconstruction and partial menisectiomy done. My question is will there be anything 5-8 years from now that people can get to fill in the gap of what was removed so they can reduce their chances of getting arthritis or am I just stuck with having less meniscus in my left knee?

    • There are meniscal transplantation surgeries that can be performed for some patients, where the surgeon implants an allograft meniscus. I don’t know if you would be a candidate, but it might be worth asking your surgeon.

  72. 27 y.o female. Active. Was walking to work and hit by a car. Mri does showI have a meniscus tear and my patella also it’s not adjusting correctly…should be sliding easily…instead cracking…popping….pain…swelling. I will have to get the surgery due to a tear in the meniscus. I would like to ask what does the recovery entail? Could I still work if I’m seated most if the day? a little worried but hope it goes well. Thank you for the video it was informative.

    • Most people can return to work and simple activities soon after partial meniscectomy. Full return can take months, but they can gradually do more and more.

  73. 27 M…I have mild discomfort in my left knee since 4 months…a little pain only sometimes on fast walking,hill climbing…mri revealed a complex grade 3 tear of post horn of medial meniscus…unlike normal symptoms I dont have any locking clicking popping of the joint…neither there is any inflammation or redness in any area…I dont even remember any injury to my knee…shud I wait or straight away go 4 arthroscopy? ?

    • I can’t say without being involved in your care, so I would ask your orthopaedic surgeon. Generally I don’t push patients toward surgery unless they are having symptoms, such as locking, catching, localized pain, etc.

  74. I suffered a work related injury on October 2012 and was sent to the company doctor. They told me at that time it was soft tissue of the left knee as my job required me to crawl 90% of my work day, not to mention I’m 54 years old. And after seeing them for 6 weeks and 3 weeks of PT following that they released me back to work no restrictions. The pain still persisted for months and decided to see my family doctor to see what was going on. Had an MRI found a bakers cyst that had ruptured and was aspirated and a cortizone injection given at that time which did not help at all. Pain still persisted upon which I was sent to an orthopedic surgeon which gave me 2 cortizone injections and ordered 4 weeks of PT. I also had 2 burseas present as well. After the 4 weeks of PT which according to my therapist we were beating a dead horse there my orthopedic surgeon went in and done knee arthoscopy to determine the cause. He told me prior to surgery that it was a good chance of a meniscal tear. Surgery was performed on December 3, 2013 in which I had a medial meniscus tear which was removed and done a clean up as I had pain around the kneecap as well. My pictures from surgery shown the large medial tear which looked like a piece of crab meat as he put it as well as around the knee cap looked like crab meat as well. when he did the clean up. from the build up of stuff there. I’m still undergoing PT now and off of work. I only have 78% range of motion with my left knee now and tightness, swelling and pain doing some of my PT exercises which require me to lift my leg or tighten my knee in order to do some of these exercise. My question is if and when I can go back to work will I be able to hold down a job working on concrete 8 hours a day? I told my employer that since the meniscus was removed according to my therapist a job on my knees would be bone on bone and would be a total knee replacement then.

    • I really cannot give you a specific answer to your question, as I haven’t seen you as a patient and don’t know how much of the meniscus was removed or how much remains to serve as a shock absorber. When we do these surgeries, the goal is usually to help patients return to their desired activities. Balancing that with the risk of future arthritis is tricky and varies from patient to patient.

  75. 24 Jan. 2011, I had my meniscus torn playing football in Jena, Germany;
    25 Jun. 2013, I had meniscus trimming in Shanghai, China.
    About six month after the operation, I can walk almost normally and run with somewhat difficulty.

    My problem is that I have difficulty in going down stairs. Can anybody tell me the reason and what should I do to full recovery.


    • I cannot say in your case specifically without examining you, but patellofemoral pain often causes pain going down stairs.

  76. Hello Dr. Geier,

    I’m male,21 yo. I had a meniscus tear maybe around 1 and a half years ago and I just had a partial meniscectomy 9 days ago. Before the injury I was a competitive futsal player and post injury, I stopped playing because my knee kept ‘snapping’ every time I play futsal (sometimes it snapped when I didnt’t even do sports). However I was still able to run just fine.
    I didn’t directly had the surgery because at first I didn’t aware of what meniscus tear and thought it’s just a twisted knee.

    My questions:
    Will there be an effect on my knee because I had the surgery far after the initial tear of the meniscus, not as soon as possible?

    As I read this page, I become aware of the OA that may become a problem later in my life because of the partial meniscectomy done to my right knee’s medial meniscus. Is there any way to prevent the OA from happening? Maybe what kind of food/nutrition that I need to take/avoid? What kind of exercise/activities that I should do/avoid?

    Also how to avoid damaging my articulate cartilage?

    Thanks doctor

    • I don’t know that it is possible for a patient to completely prevent the risk for developing arthritis in the future. Maybe cutting back on repetitive impact exercise, like jogging, could help. The counter argument would be that the benefits of sports and exercise to a patient’s overall health outweighs the risk of developing OA.

  77. Hi Dr. Geier,

    Thank you for all the information you provide. I am scheduled for a meniscectomy on Feb. 21 for a left medial meniscus tear with a flap that has apparently curled backward in such a way that it isn’t impacting my knee as most tears of this nature do. I am a yoga teacher and I experienced some clicking and popping in the knee last Spring without pain. Later, I developed discomfort in the left knee doing some yoga postures, especially squats and cross legged position. It is sometimes slightly tight and tender behind the knee. But that’s really about it. I live on the 5th floor without an elevator and I have no problem climbing or walking. And I simply modify my yoga practice and refrain from stressing the left knee.

    I’m having second thoughts about the surgery and am thinking of waiting until the discomfort or limitations increase. I know no one can decide for me, and my surgeon hasn’t pressured me at all. His opinion is that this won’t get better, and that sounds reasonable, but I’ve noticed that some days, I can squat without discomfort, and the knee has much better range of motion. Other days it is not possible to squat without discomfort.

    My question is about waiting: Is it likely that I would be doing more damage to my knee by postponing the surgery? In other words, would I be potentially causing more tears in the meniscus/wearing down cartilage, etc., by doing nothing until I have more pain and discomfort?

    In your experience, is there such a thing as waiting too long to have surgery? Would love to hear your opinion(s), and thank you again!

    • I can’t really give you specific advice. Generally I don’t think that delaying partial meniscectomy surgery is necessarily a bad thing for adults, especially in they are not having symptoms. Theoretically a tear could propagate, requiring more to be removed later, but that is hard to know. I usually encourage my patients to see how their symptoms do and use those as a means of deciding when to have surgery.

  78. MRI results are in and the question is…. can a faint tear of the inner portion of the anterior horn of the lateral meniscus without displaced fragment identified and grade 3 Chondromalacia Patella repair itself with the right treatment? I was told that since there is no blood supply to the meniscus the answer is no but a faint tear seems miniscule. I have no pain at all and have had some swelling that was drained.

  79. I am wondering if it is normal to be black and ble down into your calf and up onto the top part of your leg . This is my 2nd surgery and was told again it was full of arthritis and my next option might be a partial knee replacement. What should I do ? Please help… Tired of having pain….

  80. I twisted my right knee badly three years ago – crashed my motorbike at the race track (I had just turned 40). Two surgeries later (both repairs first to the medial then to the lateral) I still could not do stairs, could not stand for extended periods, struggled to walk long distances and couldn’t ride either super bike or dirt bike. Last (3rd) surgery was July 2013, both menisci were removed from right knee. I cannot wear high heels for extended periods, it feels as though the knee shifts position when wearing them, I cannot do any impact sports, I can however do stairs and walking presents no problem. My biggest stress, other than the high heels, is that I still cannot do more than 5 to 10 minutes on the super bike, possibly due to the bend of the knee to ride, also because you have to climb off the bike in corners, my knee just cannot take the extreme bend, or the full weight of my body when bent. I also miss my dirt bike, which is 100% impact on rough terrain, normally you ride in a standing position, knees slightly bent to absorb the impact. Muscle tone is about 90% of where it should be and should 100% within weeks if I keep my PT up. My Ortho and physio tell me that a knee brace will not help due to the fact that the shock-absorbency of the menisci cannot be substituted, can you verify this at all? I at least want to be able to ride either super bike or failing that, my dirt bike – I miss spending this time with my husband and son. I still struggle with swelling in the joint, 7 months later but I’m much happier now than I was before they removed the menisci. Definitely seems to gave been the correct decision on the orthopedic surgeons part.

    • I can’t say if a brace would help you, but the surgeon involved could better direct you. The meniscus is a shock absorber in the knee, and a patient loses some of that function when part of a meniscus is trimmed out. The goal after these surgeries is to allow patients to return to prior activities, and very commonly the patients can resume those activities.

  81. Howdy, I’m a 21 year old female with a pesky medial meniscus tear. I obtained it December 26th, 2013. I am told it is a smaller tear, which is uplifting, but also that it in an area that doesn’t have a lot of blood flow. I have been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now, and I feel dramatically better, but I am wondering if I should still get the surgery while I am young and can recover quickly. I have talked to someone that decided not to get the surgery, and then six years later obtained an even larger tear. I am just worried that the tear will come back and get larger. I am still having issues going down flights of stairs, but I try to avoid them.
    I was wondering what is the average time needed out of work/ school? And also how long crutches are usually needed. Anyone who has had a similar experience I would love to hear about it:)

    • I don’t think there is an absolute right answer. I generally advise my patients to have surgery when the symptoms limit their ability to do their activities. In theory, it is possible for a tear to propagate. For a partial meniscectomy, I don’t make patients limit weight bearing at all. A repair might be different depending on the nature of the tear. Return to work depends on the nature of the job but can be within a few days to a week or two. Those are all good questions for your surgeon. Good luck!

      • How do I know if my tear is in the red/red ; red/white or white/white area ? Can you tell from looking at the MRI or the description of the tear which is :

        oblique longitudinal tear within the periphery of the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending to the inferior articular surface (26 mm length).
        Also this is related to an acl tear so I am assuming knee reco will help fix this tear if possible.

        • The surgeon has can tell where a tear is (what part of the meniscus and what zone of blood supply) when he or she sees it during surgery.

  82. Hi Dr Geier, just a general question. I had a partial lateral meniscectomy, due to a recurrent tear to what was a discoid meniscus. I’m now 10 weeks post op, and only now starting to see some improvement – I can only walk very short distances without flare up. I actually had a cortisone shot in this area a week earlier – would that delay my recovery?

    • I can’t say if it did in your case. Generally cortisone injections are rarely necessary after partial meniscectomy surgeries, but I doubt that they would delay return to activities.

  83. I have a meniscus tear in my knee also my patella is a little out of place I also have fluid on the back of my knee (Cyst), Ive been getting therapies and pain and swelling is still there especially with weights, walking, and even laying in the wrong position.It also locks at times when I’m walking and clicks if I swing my leg back and forth. Is it safe for me to continue playing basketball with this injury. Is it safe for my career and future. What risk could I incur if I continue to play like this.

    • I really can’t say since I am not your doctor and haven’t examined you. Generally I would think the biggest problem for an athlete with a meniscus tear would be significant pain with that sport that limited the ability to play.

  84. Dr, I’m 52 yo female, played basketball/volleyball through college and continue being active, running or basketball twice/week. Never had knee pain until 7 mos ago when pain began medial back of knee. Stopped virtually all activity… noticeable swelling lateral front of knee and constant pain in back, a lot of pain/weakness pushing off knee (like going up stairs) and could not jog/run at all. . 2 mos ago had MRI which showed medial horizontal tear, degenerative, posterior horn although lateral meniscus normal. For these last 2 mos since MRI, I’ve gone to physical therapy… exercise, laser light and ASTYM. All this helped insignificantly, little improvement. So, My Dr gave me a cortisone shot, which nearly completely relieved pain, but that only lasted 1 1/2 weeks and pain is back again just as before… very tender right in finger tip size spot on medial/back knee, can’t push-off, sore all the time, aching, weak, just like before. Now, he says options are: 1) wait longer continue therapy or 2) scope the knee and ‘clean up’ meniscus. I listened to your podcast about the Korean study of 50 yo patients with or without surgery with follow up outcomes about the same. I don’t want to have arthritis if Dr does arthroscopic and has to remove a lot of meniscus BUT I can’t live with this as it is. I want to be able to moderately run (resume light basketball) and keep up with my very active 9 yo son. In considering going ahead with arthroscopic surgery… What outcome is typical when a clean up of a horizontal degenerative tear is done in my age group, presuming Dr. will not remove a large portion of my meniscus?
    if I opt to NOT do artho, after 7 mos and no improvement, would I expect somehow more time and therapy will get me back to normal activity? Right now, I’m leaning toward the surgery. Thx for your feedback!

    • I can’t give you specific answers in your case. Generally the success largely depends on the degree of arthritis in a patient’s knee. If there is little degenerative change in the knee, trimming the torn part of the meniscus out has fairly good success rates, although the later development of arthritis is still possible. Results from surgery are harder to predict if a patient already has arthritis changes. I hope that helps!

      • thank you Dr! my ortho Doc said I have NO evidence of arthritis… bones, articulating surfaces perfect. I have never had knee pain until 7 mos ago, when the pain started in the medial joint line of only the left knee… same as today. I will speak to my Doc again, confirming he would only clean up the tear region and won’t take out any significant portion of the meniscus. thanks again.

  85. I had partial meniscotomy three weeks ago. I am active, tennis-playing, 62. I had the same surgery on the other knee twenty years ago. My general sense is that commenters here are not a representative sample, and that generally this surgery yields good results. No?

    In any case, for this knee –I had a diagnosed by MRI tear for six years, but postponed surgery. My knee got worse (stiffness, pain in back and outside of knee, unable to play tennis well) recently, so I had the surgery. I think it’s going to be fine. Doing PT, balance, quad strengthening. Last time I did a lot with ankle weights, but apparently that’s not standard anymore.

  86. my 16 year old son has suffered a large discoid lateral tear. he will have a surgical repair . will he be able to resume a football soccer ) career professionally ?

  87. I had part of my meniscus removed 4 weeks ago. I had no pain up until last week when I went to surf camp (I know I shouldn’t ave surfed) anyway, there was no pain while surfing no stiffness, it felt absolutely fine! then the next day walking down the hill it just felt like I had a bit of shooting pain, I could actually touch it where it hurt when I bent my knee but within ten mins the pain was gone and felt completely normal again. it was on and off like this for the whole day. The next day I think it did it once but pretty much felt fine. And then today it pretty much feels fine again except it kinda feels like I have a dead leg except righ where I had the surgery. It doesn’t hurt much but makes me worried that ive done something. Anyway, my question is, what are the possible things that I could have done while surfing 3 and a half weeks post opp from simple removal of a flap. also could it jus be my knee adjusting or a nerve? im rally worried! (It was my first time surfing too so it wasn’t proper stuff)Yeah, so any insight please? he said 6 weeks befoire I can start doing proper exersize anyway.

    • I can’t say much in your case without being involved. After a partial meniscectomy, patients can aggravate the knee with activity without causing any structural damage. Running or other physical activity can inflame the knee and cause swelling and pain. Having said that, it is not impossible to reinjure the knee with activity like surfing or contact sports. An orthopaedic surgeon can examine the knee and order an MRI if needed to determine if any structural damage occurred.

  88. Update- It has been 15 months since my partial medial mastectomy. I can walk, swim, elliptical, and bike/spin no problems. Running, jumping, sprinting makes it sore afterwards but the next day seems fine. I also notice on most days something feels a little off. Not pain full just something feels missing. I guess it is better than before the surgery, but definitely not better than before the injury. I worry long term if my knee will give me problems if I over do it.

  89. I am 47 and have a torn medial meniscus in my right knee. An MRI revealed it to be a “bucket handle” tear around most of the interior of the meniscus. My surgeon recommends a partial meniscectomy. I am reluctant to have the surgery because the pain has subsided and because a physical therapist who specializes in knees told me that there is a significantly increased risk of total joint replacement after a partial meniscectomy (perhaps 20-30 years down the road). My surgeon disagrees, though he acknowledges that the injury has already put me at increased risk of total joint replacement in the future. I don’t know who to believe. Is there research that clearly answers this question? Does a partial meniscectomy increase the future risk of total joint replacement?

    • Generally there are higher rates of degenerative changes months after meniscus tears and surgeries to trim part of the meniscus out. Having said that, the torn meniscus might not be providing the same amount of shock-absorbing properties as an intact meniscus. Most of the time, patients have symptoms that interfere with the ability to perform desired activities, so they undergo meniscus surgery.

  90. I am 65 in good shape.Had a medial menisectomy almost 5 months ago.I cant squat down to do anything down low close to the floor without severe patellar pain.I can sit and bend,flex my knee ,but if i go beyond a point like when squatting ,same thing,severe pain.The Dr,kind of elusive told me it was weak quads.Why? y resumed normal activities right away.He told me i needed to strengthen my quads since they get weak after menisectomy.he didint say what exercises nor why this happens.I really dont understand the connection between a menisectomy,small tear,and patellar pain.Thanks.

    • I can’t say in your case specifically, but we see patellofemoral pain after arthroscopic knee surgeries. Often the knee swelling from the surgery and all of the arthroscopic fluid causes the quads to shut down somewhat, which seems to place increased stress on the patella. Usually patients can overcome it with physical therapy and home exercises.

  91. Hi Sir,
    I am a 27 years guy. Not much involved in running activities.While playing my leg got twist, I didn’t fall, but my knee started paining. pain subsided in 2-3 days but swellin didnt went hs been around 3 mnths. MRI reported high grade ACL tear and torn meniscus. i couldnt climb stairs but can walk easily if try to keep my feet properly. My surgeon is about to do surgery on 14 april 2014 and
    he is still not sure about ACL tear but he is sure about meniscus tear. he said he will do the operation for meniscus and at the surgery time decide wether to reconstruct ACL or leave it as it is.
    what i doubt is. just by trimming away torn meniscus and leaving ACL as it is wld i be able to gain me knee strength back so that i can walk on uneven surface and climb stairs? i am not an athelete and live a normal life.Sir,Please answer before my surgery.

    • I can’t give you specific advice, as I say throughout this site. Treatment for a partial ACL tear really depends on the stability of the knee and whether a patient has giving way with athletic or other activities. You might check out the post on partial ACL tears for more information.

  92. Physicians are the worst patients, so bear with me.. I am 63,retired, but in good shape and very active..March 27, I had partial meniscectomies of my left lead leg after taking up golf again after 42 years. I was walking the next day, biking on day 2, and diligently working out at health club and pretty much normal by 2 wks post op.. My doc told me prior to arthroscopy that I might be playing golf in 3 wks and I laughed. But I have been to the driving range twice ( I turn out my left leg 45 degrees to protect the knee and wear a sleeve)..and no real pain!!.. success ..
    My question is.. I still have minimal edema and vague mild pains which respond nicely to ice. Also I get a slight painful twinge if I turn my knee a certain way… I am only taking 7.5 mg of meloxicam in the morning… Based on my excellent post op course so far, what would be a guestimate for the length of time I will have the swelling and mild pain? I assume that swinging the golf club without pain is an indication of a successful scope and that the motion of a golf swing can not further damage my knee. Thank you in advance.

    • I can’t give you a specific answer since all patients are different. Also secondary damage, like articular cartilage damage, can affect the time a patient feels swelling and pain. Most patients simple meniscectomies in my experience are back doing most of what they want without pain or swelling by 6 weeks after surgery, although they often improve to maximum improvement around 4-5 months.

  93. Is it possible to have lateral meniscus tear 6 weeks post op the Partial Medial Meniscectomy ?MRI before surgery showed lateral aspect is perfect. Now, Could see all the symptoms of Lateral side ? Is it possible the tear the next one so early ?

    • I can’t say specifically in your case without being involved. It is possible to repair the meniscus or to the opposite one after partial meniscectomy surgery, but there can be other causes for pain that don’t involve structural damage as well.

  94. I am 50 and participate in both Ironman and marathons. I had a lateral meniscectomy (flap tear of the anterior horn, took 20%) on 4/15/14 (tore it on 3/9). I did everything by the book-ice, elevation and did the few ROM exercises I was given. Stitches came out 6 days later and I was able to return to some swimming (no pushing off the wall) and easy biking. Neither hurt during or afterwards. I’ve also graduated to more glute exercises with my PT. I do have two questions:

    1. I was told that I needed to start breaking up the scar tissue surrounding the port holes. I had some work done by a massage therapist and there was quite a bit of bruising after. Is that to be expected? I’ve also worked on the knee myself and now it seems to swell up more at the port holes and is pretty sore. Am I over doing it?

    2. I’ve returned to normal work activity which means my knee is down (sit at a desk) and also walk a decent amount for my job. Knee seems more swollen as a result of this routine. To be expected? do I need to take it easier? ice more?


    • I can’t say if it is normal in your case, but you could discuss these symptoms with your orthopaedic surgeon. Generally swelling at the portal incisions is normal in the early weeks after knee arthroscopy. Swelling with walking and sitting with feet on the ground can be as well.

  95. Hi Dr. David,

    I was diagnosed Grade -II posterior Meniscus tear in 2008.
    I had undergone physiotherapy for a month but it didn’t work. After that I was advised to take complete bed rest for a month or so. After bed rest the pain reduced but the swelling remained.
    Since 2008 I have had swelling on the knee and the now I am not only having swelling on the knee but also on thighs and foot with tremendous pain.

    Please suggest as to what could be done and what could be the reason for consistent swelling and pain.

    Looking forward for your reply.

    Thanks & Regards,

    • You really should discuss your MRI and case with your orthopaedic surgeon to discuss treatment options.

  96. I am 61 years old male fro Delhi, India and do not do much of exercises. From February, 2014 onwards I had pain in the left knee which would get aggravated on a little stress. On 16th February, while walking down on a steep slope, accidentally, I twisted my knee. I just sat down and was no able to walk. My x-ray revealed very early osteo-arthiritis changes. The pain killers a anti-inflammatory medicines were of no help. MRI done in mid April 2014 revealed medial meniscus tear On 19th April Arthroscopic Partial Medial Meniscectomy was done. The stitches will be removed in 2-3 days time.

    The problem is I am still having tightness as before from the knee upto the ankle and right upto the foot sole, which I used to have before also. No doubt, the type of spasms on the knee have reduced t a great extent. But this tightness from knee to ankle bothers me and I don’t know whether this will go away with time.

    • I really cannot give you a specific answer to your question, as I haven’t seen you as a patient or examined you or seen any radiographic studies. You could ask your surgeon if the tightness is related to swelling from the surgery, a possible blood clot or from some other cause.

  97. Hello Dr. Dave,

    I had about 20 percent of my lateral meniscus boy segment removed. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the occurrence of arthritis is for that amount of removal. Additionally, I was curious as to what your thoughts are of running after this type of surgery in this specific area. Again it was a free edge tear which was focally mild and blunted.


    • Generally arthritis is possible after surgery to trim out part of the lateral meniscus. How likely it is to develop and how quickly is impossible to predict. Generally the goal of these surgeries, though, is to help patients return to the sports and exercise that they like to do.

  98. I just had an MRI and will you please be so kind and explain to me in layman terms what this means: Nearly full width horizontal tear posterior horn communicating with the articular surface. Mild marginal osteophystes and minimal compartmental narrowing. Mild subchondral cyst formation medial aspect of the weigh bearing condyle. Moderate effusion.

    Does this mean I will need surgery or can I just let it go and deal with the pain when walking and at night when turning in bed. Also, my knee locks and I’ve fallen several times. I’m 61 years of age. I’ve read too many negative things about surgery and therefore I’m afraid to have it.

    • Those findings generally suggest a meniscus tear and osteoarthritis changes. There are some concerns about partial meniscectomy with arthritis. Those are discussions patients should have with their surgeons.

  99. Hello,

    I am a 29 year old male who went in for partial medial meniscectomy. My doctor said I could return to work after 2 and a half weeks which I did and my phyio wanted me to try 200 metre jogs around the same time. I jogged on the Sunday night but didn’t do a lot as it was hurting and returned to work Monday. By Tuesday (my work involves a lot of bending down) my knee had swollen up a little more and pain returned to my knee. Some of the pain was similar to that of when I had the original tear. My question is, is it more likely to tear a meniscus after partial meniscectomy or could this just be soreness from trying to do too much too early?

    • It is possible for a patient to retear a meniscus after partial meniscectomy. Often though, in the early weeks after surgery, patients can have episodes of knee pain or swelling from increased activity.

      • Thank you for your reply. I went from being able to ride the bike at a decent pace with no pain until I went back to work. Now every time I try to get on the bike or do exercises I was doing previously it hurts that night and the next day. My symptoms are almost exactly the same as when I had my original tear, but worse, which scares me.

  100. Dr Geier,
    I had a partial done in 2011, I am still having a lot of pain, swelling that never subsides, heat emanating from it, popping, snapping, falling from not being able to support my own weight. I was retired from the Military recently (2013) and deal with the VA now, who say that it’s just post surgery pain.. But it’s been 3 years, and I still cannot run because the pain is so immense, kneeling on the knee is not an option, ever, if I tried I would probably faint and/or throw up and it is absolutely impossible to climb stairs and even more impossible to climb ladders. So my question is, does this sound like normal after surgery issues to you or do you feel that there may be more to it, should I get a second opinion?

      • I can’t say specifically in your case. Generally pain climbing stairs and kneeling is coming from the front of the knee, like the patella or patellar tendon.

  101. I had a partial meniscectomy 3 weeks ago on my right knee.Operation was succesfull im still recoverinng,the swellig has almost gone up but there is something stange that i cant explane to my self. When i try to strech my leg or get up from the chair there is some kind of popping/clicking without pain.After a few squat it dissapears and it comes again after a shot brake .

  102. I had a partial medial meniscectomy and it was a year before I could fully bend my knee and bring my heel up to my buttock (impossible before the op). Recently I have been running 10k’s two to three times a week and at first had no pain or swelling. However for the past three months my knee aches with pulses of pain like a contraction when relaxing in the evening or driving especially after a days work gardening. Running is uncomfortable and can be painful but there is very little swelling. I would like to increase my mileage in order to run a final marathon. Should I avoid running until the pain ceases? What would you advise? I should add I am 57 played physical team sport up till 50 and long distance running since 37. Thank you for any advice.

    • Unfortunately I can’t give you specific advice. You might consider having your surgeon examine you and try to find a source for the trouble. Thanks!

  103. Hi, I’m really in a bind at the moment. I currently have a meniscectomy scheduled for Friday, June 13th. (I know, the ominous Friday the 13th!). I have been diagnosed with a tear in the posterior horn of my medial meniscus in my left knee. I have had this problem for several years now. I tore my meniscus from playing tennis. I had been a fairly active tennis player, playing singles matches approximately 3 times per week (2 to 3 hours per match). After a long match, I would get inflammation behind my my left knee, where it felt like a bump was swelling directly behind my knee. I later would find that this is known as a baker’s cyst, where the synovial fluid in my knee joint would leak out due to my meniscal tear. However, after a day or two the fluid would reabsorb, and my knee felt back to normal. I also would get this baker’s cyst if I went on long walks (several miles), but it would usually disappear after a day or two on its own. On regular day to day activities, my knee does not bother me at all.

    So based on my situation, I essentially have two main reasons I would want to get the meniscectomy. First off, I was told that the symptoms of my baker’s cyst would disappear if I get the meniscectomy as the tear would be repaired. Secondly, I am worried that by not taking care of this torn meniscus, it could continue to tear and cause more disarray of cartilage inside my knee. My main fear of going through with the meniscectomy is that I would have an increased risk of getting arthritis in my left knee. As there will essentially be less cartilage in the knee, I would have more bone on bone contact, resulting in faster wear and tear of my knee.

    I also understand that there might be a slight chance that the meniscus may heal on its own, depending on the placement of the meniscal tear. (The outer third portion of the meniscus may still receive enough of a blood supply to heal the tissue). However, as this tear has already been present for at least 2 years, would this already have been enough time to heal itself? I guess I’m just trying to weigh the pros and cons of my scenario. Is it worth getting the surgery so that I may go back to playing tennis again (probably not at the same vigorous level as before)? But, in doing so, would I also increase my chances of early onset arthritis in that same knee, or would that happen on its own regardless of the meniscectomy? Any advice or comments on this matter would be greatly appreciated. This will truly help me in making my final decision about whether to get this surgery.

    • I apologize, but I just can’t give you specific advice. I have shared my thoughts on those questions either in the comments section of this post or within other posts on my site, so you might read through those.

  104. I received an Xray december 2012 that came back normal. I did PT from December to July but was still having random pain hear and there. Had a MRI in june 2013 that showed a tear and we went with a repair. I was off of it for 6 weeks then started up pt was feeling great. Then I started to have pain again got another MRI and there was a tear right above the repair. So he went back in and took a portion out. I have been doing great some discomfit when the weather gets bad. I never did 100 percent recover nor return to actives prior to first surgery. The last few days I have been having pain like before my surgery. Some days I feel fine and then out of nowhere get sharp intense pain in my knee and bearly be able to walk. Now I never knew how I injured my knee in the first place I just got the sudden pains and it turned out to be a tear and this is the same situation now. Im not sure if there is another tear or if its just the start to arthritis.

  105. Hi Dr,
    I am a 47 man, generally in good health. I used to run a few km a week and one day felt pain in my knee during normal running.
    I was diagnosed with a degenerative medial meniscus tear and opted for partial meniscectomy. During the procedure the surgeon confirmed that this was a “flap tear” of a “medium size”.
    I am a few days after the operation and I am recovering well. There is still pain from the operation but I can already walk without pain.
    Can you comment on the possible long term detrimental effect of this procedure?
    Is there evidence to indicate that the risk of arthritus developing sooner in my knee is increased?

    • Honestly I would give you the same answer as many others who have asked about degenerative changes and arthritis developing after meniscus surgeries.

  106. I don’t know a lot about my knee. I know that there is a 2.7×1 cm chunk of cartilage missing from the right knee, on the outer side of my knee. I’m a 13 year old female and I can’t recall when this happened. I’ve been a scout in the past and had a friend drag me out a campsite by my leg, causing pain within the next two days. That was 2 years ago though. My doctor says that would have healed but the reason is that I’m very active and I play basketball 3-4 times a week. I might have to have knee surgey, and not play for 12 months and I’m really worried what it will be like after, like, will it work? Or will I be strong enough again? Will I be able to run again? How long will it actually take?
    It would be good it I could be reassured by you and have my questions answered

    • The answers to all of those questions really depend on the treatment/surgical procedure needed. Your orthopaedic surgeon can give you more specific answers. Generally articular cartilage injuries can be very difficult.

  107. Hi, I had a partial meniscectomy on my inner left knee on January 10 , 2014 .. work injury , I’m 48 yrs old , and a welder . On April 8th of 2014 .. They (workers comp & doctor) had me do a FCE , my knee swelled up and turned red , I had swelling for 2 days
    after .. you could literally hear my knee popping in the room , during a squat and lift test .. my knee hasn’t been the same since .. could I have injured something else in my knee ? I was also told that the FCE was way too soon to do ( 12 weeks post surgery) is that true ? – John

    • I can’t really say if you did any harm to your knee without examining you. You could ask your orthopaedic surgeon or another one.

  108. After 6 months of knee pain while playing basketball I had an MRI. Results were: Grade 2 medial collateral ligament tear; ant and post medial meniscus tear; post lateral meniscus tear; popliteal cyst;small joint effusion. Tears to meniscus are grade III.
    I had ortho on it 8 weeks ago. The pain is very minimal as long as I continue to take anti-inflamatories. When I don’t there is some aching pain. Swelling is minimal as well. The leg was getting week prior to the surgery. I have been been doing strength training and the muscles are starting to react again. There is a little pain climbing stairs but it gets better weekly. I have even played basketball for short sessions and felt good. I do have some clicking and popping of the knee when I extend it from at a 90 degree angle. There is not pain associated with the clicking and popping. Is it normal to have this happen after surgery? Will strengthening of the muscles potentially help eliminate this? I have heard that if it clicks with no pain, it should not be an issue and can be a life long issue with these types of surgery/repair. Thoughts?

  109. Hi David.My 14 year old daughter had surgery yesterday ,she had a hoffas fat pad excision and a partial lateral menisectomy on her left knee .she was diagnosed with joint hypermobility in february.Do you think this condition could of been the cause by over exstending or could it be somethink else ?

    • I can’t say specifically without being involved. Meniscal tears in younger patients often results from a traumatic event.

  110. In 2007, the MRI of my left knee showed the following:

    1) Horizontal cleavage tear of the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending inferiorly.
    2) Nearly complete discoid lateral meniscus.
    3) Joint effusion.
    4) Mild patella baja.
    5) Grade III chondral damage of the extensor mechanism.

    In 2008, I got a arthroscopy consisting of a partial medial meniscectomy. I began playing soccer again after 5 months of intense therapy. Sometime last year, 20013, I felt a sharp pain on the same place of the surgery, as I was playing soccer. I went home limping. I limped for the next 5 days. I got an MRI and the doctor said I have an small tear. The Dr. suggested me to get another surgery. It was not that I didn’t trust him, but he was far too young and talked far too much. I made an appointment at the same hospital with another Dr. and this one said he wasn’t sure that that was another tear, that this might be some kind a sign of my previous surgery. This is very frustrating and confusing…. and expensive. I want to play soccer but I am afraid to hurt my knee again. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


    • I really can’t help much without being involved. Occasionally an MR arthrogram can help determine a retear after a previous partial meniscectomy.

  111. I had surgery 11 yrs ago to remove a piece of my meniscus after coming down a speed water slide, my knee was locked in a vent position until the removed the piece of torn meniscus, but now as I notice while going up stairs (which I have at home, and use several times a day) I sometimes feel my knee swollen and painful, as of 2 days ago I haven’t felt pain but now hear a clicking or crunching sound. Does this mean that I will need surgery??

    • You would really need to see an orthopaedic surgeon for evaluation to determine the cause and treatment options.

  112. Dear Dr Geier,

    Thanks for the site – it provides a useful resource for people deciding whether ‘to scope or not to scope’. I apologise for the length, but I want to do 3 things with my posting: 1) thank you for the site, 2) share with other people my thoughts & experience to date, 3) ask if you know of some good research for lay people regarding comparative research between surgical patients and non-surgical several years down the track (I have only found ½ – 1 year later).

    1) It is a bit of a tricky situation, and it is quite challenging to have a list of questions prepared in time for GP and surgeon visits, in order to ask just the right questions at the right time. Often, many questions are thought of outside of surgeon visits. However, from the amount of people asking you for personal advice, would suggest that surgeons could in fact alleviate some of the distress by discussing more of the recovery variables with patients. The fact that your website exists, is a fantastic step in this direction.

    2) I am an Australian female, 56 years, reasonably active. I have a ‘significant’ tear in medial meniscus – posterior horn to body (free edge) and degeneration, 2 or 3 other areas of degeneration (but level of degeneration is pretty low considering history), marginal spurring, cyst (though not meant to be a problem) etc etc in left knee. Started as pain & swelling following injury playing tennis, continually recurring, worsening each episode over several weeks, until acute episode – significant pain, extreme limitations re function & mobility, crutches / partial crutches for 3 weeks. Today is first day could walk unaided few steps without limping, although slowly & not normal flexibility in gait.

    [Previous ACL tear (27 years ago), 2nd injury 14 years ago. Surgery following 2nd injury (lateral release, smoothing behind patella, few other things that I have forgotten). Took 2 years following surgery to stop limping, pulling myself up stairs etc. But went on some years later to hike the Inca Trail in Peru, undertake hike for 229 km when 50, resume tennis in recent years, live active life – just put up with knees ‘blowing up’ with pain following anything too dramatic].

    Surgeon recommends partial meniscectomy, but left it totally up to me. I was able to have good discussion regarding hesitation arising from previous surgical experience (same surgeon, as does have good reputation). I have since read a lot on the internet and understand my situation, and the choices I have. I have chosen to have the surgery, based on surgeon and PT advice regarding the severity and potential for recurrence of injury. However, I still have doubts and no doubt will have for several months. This I regard as only natural, and have created a checklist for myself – what if I do, what if I don’t. There are many unknowns either way, except for the fact that my knee has yet another injury and won’t be the same as it was before this injury, no matter what I do.

    I am not sure if I can return to tennis, nor am I sure I want to go through this again (I also have torn the ACL in the right knee), but would miss it terribly. Whoever said sport was good for you, was a bit of a joker!

    Thanks again for your site. To all other ‘knee people’, hang in there!

    • I don’t know of them off the top of my head, but I know there are some older studies that compared surgical and nonsurgical treatment results many years later. I think some of those have been published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine. Thanks for sharing your experience!

  113. hi im shan 2 months after acl surgery
    i can only bend around 110 degrees and still can’t stretch fully straight the knee
    still having the swelling in the knee and having a much pain while doing bending and straitening the knee
    is this normal

      • thank you doctor
        your information is lot for me ill kepp updating my status and hope youll reply them too
        my physio said that bending time of my knee took longer than other patient he has deal with
        still im bending around 140 geg
        is it normal im 2 months after acl

  114. Good morning all, I had my second surgery for a meniscus tear over a year ago. I started running again about two months ago (running most of my life) and it finally clicked, its the first time that I feel like my old self. At 59 years old I have plenty of people out here telling me to quit running. Something I just cannot do. So don’t give up hope, stay at it whatever your form of keeping in shape don’t stop. start off slow and build up, you will know when you are back up to speed. Good Luck

  115. Hi I’m 18, had a small tear repaired, I am a dancer and have a show in two week I’ll be 8 weeks post op, is it okay to dance I could bend knee to 90 degrees three days post op and I have no pain at all. Do you think I should dance ??

    • That would probably be a better question for your surgeon. Many surgeons allow full range of motion after 4-6 weeks after meniscal repair. When repetitive impact is allowed often depends on the nature of the tear and the repair.

      • thank you doctor
        your information is lot for me ill kepp updating my status and hope youll reply them too
        my physio said that bending time of my knee took longer than other patient he has deal with
        still im bending around 140 geg
        is it normal im 2 months after acl

  116. I had menisus surgery 1 yr. ago this May 2014. I am 61. This past Feb. I experienced a lot of pain in both of my knees walking up stairs suddenly one day. I quickly started doing my rehab. exercises. I was told that after doing these exercises by a therapist that if my right knee was a 5 in strength my left, (surgical leg), was a 3. It has been 5 months now and my right knee is much stronger but the symptom of the knee cap being out of joint is still there.

    I went back to my Ortho. surgeon and had x-rays of both knees. He stated that he rarely tells patient my age this but I have knees of a 20 yr. old.

    So what happened to me? Not only that, I still have some swelling in the medial side of my leg just below the knee of the torn meniscus. Will it ever go away? What is the cause of the swelling?

    • I wish I could give you a better answer, but only someone involved in your care that can examine your knee can really give you an answer.

  117. I had a left meniscus tear repair in January of 2014. I still have with some exercises but for the most part all is well. However, I have very sharp pains that have developed in my right quad especially when driving. I was told that the surgery might cause this problem of walking unevenly and that I need some orthodics in my shoes. Is this a common occurrence?

    • I can’t really say. Quad weakness after surgery can develop, but physical therapy can help resolve it.

  118. I am an employee of a hospital..I slipped on ice dec 9 2014 broke right tibia fib in fall..was off work three months..cast then fracture boot.. healed well with occasional ankle pain..
    Here is my dilemma. This past week noticed swelling around right knee.. no pain unless I go to one knee.. with pressure..
    In e.r. and later podiatry visits. Possible twisting of knee was not it possible that I injured ut and it us JUST NOW having problems???
    thank you for your time..

    thomas j lovelace crt rcp
    817 6801773

    • I can’t really say without examining you. But I have seen a number of injuries in which a patient suffers a serious injury and then notices a problem that likely occurred at the same time but didn’t bother him or her due to the pain from the main injury.

  119. thank you doctor
    your information is lot for me ill kepp updating my status and hope youll reply them too
    my physio said that bending time of my knee took longer than other patient he has deal with
    still im bending around 140 geg
    is it normal im 2 months after acl

  120. hello doc…i have undergone a ACL reconstruction surgery but due to late operation i have ham my lateral meniscus damaged and it was dislocated at the time of injury….and the lateral miniscus was removed during the operation ….my question is can you kindly give your suggestion wether i will be safe to play soccer ??

    • Return to sports is more a question of regaining full motion, strength, stability and function. The question after a meniscectomy is the development of long-term degenerative changes.

  121. Hi Dr. Geier,
    I am 30 years old and had a partial menisectomy last year do to a complete tear. At that time my doctor told me I also had a discoid meniscus and he was able to shape it to a normal looking meniscus. I had a great recovery and I was back to work and the gym after 8 weeks. I now am having problems with locking and extending my knee. I have a very palpable clunk everytime I extend my knee. When my knee locks it is painful and after I go to the gym it is painful (not terribly painful but enough). Because I am not generally in pain I have been holding off seeing my doctor. However I don’t want to hurt my knee by not going. Should I see the orthopedic even if I am not in pain all the time? I am use to having the pain constant so to me this isn’t bad, but the locking and then tripping because of it is worrisome.

    On another note for readers I had a partial meniscectomy and baker cyst removed (I did not have a discoid meniscus on this one) on my other knee 15 years ago. I returned to playing ice hockey and softball within 6 weeks and felt terrific around the 6 month mark. To this day 15 years later I still do not have problems with that knee. Prior to getting hurt last year I use to run 5 miles every day and go to the gym often and I never had more than a little stiffness in it. If I didn’t have this discoid meniscus on my other knee I probably wouldn’t have the problems I am now experiencing.

    • Clunking sensations often result from the patella (kneecap). Generally if someone has pain or some other symptom that limits his or her activities, it can be a good idea to see an orthopaedic surgeon.

  122. I had surgery to remove part of my medial meniscus 3. 5 weeks ago. It is still swollen, warm to the touch and throbs/burns when standing. It is extremely sore to the touch on the entire medial side. I am 28 years and have had this surgery before with a quick recovery but this time I cannot walk without a limp. Is this due to swelling or an inflamed bursa? Why does it hurt to touch it?

    I ice and take aleve religiously and it helps for a bit but not very long. Im frustrated.

    • I don’t doubt you are frustrated. Unfortunately I can’t give you much advice without seeing you and examining you. Your orthopaedic surgeon should be able to give you a better idea.

  123. hi doc,
    i currently have a meniscus tear (bucket handle) as shown by the MRI.i hardly have pains unless i put much pressure by having distance walks.although my tear has caused a lock in my knee making me uncomfortable n unable to walk surgeon suggests i take a surgery since part of the tear causes da u think its possible to have a cure without the surgery? am in kenya and all our doctors look for ways to make money. please help me :(.money is not a prob but my health is.bydaway ur blogs n vids r really helpfull…i feel being a doctor already

    • Generally meniscal tears do not heal on their own, and if a patient has locking of the knee caused by part of the meniscus caught between the bones in the knee blocking motion, then surgery is usually needed to treat it. Thanks for your feedback on the articles and videos too!

  124. Hi, I have had 2 arthroscopic surguries done on the same knee and during my second surgery, my doctor said I needed an acl reconstruction but didnt do it because I go to school and tightening should work. It has been 9 months since my surgery and my leg is still swollen and extremely painful. Its gotten to the point that when I sit for to long and then try to get up I cant walk and have alot of pain in the bottom of my heel. Have you ever heard of this? Any advice? ? Thank you.

    • I can’t really say that I’ve heard those symptoms. Typically the problem with an ACL-deficient knee is that the knee gives way or buckles with landing and turning.

  125. Hello Doctor,
    I initially had a partial meniscectomy due to my knee giving out. It has been two weeks after the surgery. My knee buckling is definitely not as frequent as it was prior to the surgery however, it does buckle once in a while when I walk. Is it possible to have knee bucking due to muscle weakness or is it still indicative of meniscus problems? Thank you for your reply.

    • Meniscus tears typically cause pain, locking or catching more than instability since they play little role in the stability of the knee. Pain from a meniscus tear could cause quadriceps weakness, which could make a patient feel as if his knee was giving way.

  126. Hi Doctor,

    I’m only 15 years old and I’m a serious athlete with hopes of playing college/professional sports. I had a partial meniscectomy on my left knee back in November 2013, I had about 40% of my lateral meniscus removed so i still have about 60%. Do i have to worry about the fact that I have 60% of my lateral meniscus preventing me from playing pro sports/ will i get arthritis in my 20s/30s?

    • It is possible to develop osteoarthritis after having partial meniscectomy, and it is thought to be more likely after surgery on the lateral meniscus than medial. Generally most orthopaedic surgeons still allow athletes to return to sports after surgery.

          • Is it more likely to develop OA with an lateral meniscus tear left in situ after ACL reco ? How can the meniscus work properly with a tear in it ? Would living in situ a tear asymptomatic be better as it still protect the meniscus rather that doing a partial menisectomy ?

          • I don’t think there is any data to say that leaving a meniscus tear in protects against the development of OA. It would be hard to study, because you can’t randomize patients into nonoperative treatment. Most people undergo surgery because of symptoms.

  127. Hi,

    I had a partial meniscectomy in the spring of 2013 on my lateral meniscus when I was 14. Discovering my torn meniscus was a long process in which I had physical therapy 2-3 times a week for about 12 weeks and then again for about 2 weeks after hand. At first the doctor was unsure if anything was torn but the after pictures of my knee had proven that he had to remove a LARGE amount of my lateral meniscus. With that being said I had continued to feel pain after my surgery but I believed it was “the kind you can work through” so I had kept it a secret. I’m an athlete and I didn’t want anything holding me back. About 2 months after my surgery I ran a 5k with several others shortly after to finish my cross country season and then basketball. However I just went to my primary doctor the other day and she did this test where she held my shins down and I had to push up and my knee popped and the truth came out. She had me tell her everything and I am now restricted from running long distance. This crushed me.. Do you know why it could still be bothering me after over a year?

  128. hi docter im 3 months after acl surgery im just getting the full range of motion now but still its not fully i still cant straigten the knee fully it says after 3 months i should start runingbut i still dont feel like that,is this normal????

  129. Hi Doctor
    I was reading the posts from a couple of years back. Thank you as it is very instructional and they clear some questions whether from you or your readers.
    I think i probably have a type of meniscus tear as when i get up from bed i cannot bear weight on the leg due to scrutinizing pain. This pain eases as, i am assuming synovial fluid gets into it and i can then bear the weight much better. My question is if perhaps i need surgery if i get an injection like orthovisc or monovisc would these injections impair or make more difficult a future surgery?

    • Viscosupplementation injections might help patients with mild knee osteoarthritis. We don’t think they have much effect on pain related to a meniscus tear. Regardless, they should have no real impact on a future surgery.

  130. Dr. Geier,

    I am a 42 year old , 20 lb overweight semi-active male. Minimum of 4 years ago i noticed pain on the inside of my left knee. About 3 or 4 times I year I would get swelling after certain exercises or a series of 12 hour days at work.(standing all day) Well this year we had a baby and maxed out our deductible I scheduled an appointment with and orthopedic surgery. Physical tests no pain, x-ray said knew looked good, well when MRI came back he said I had a significant medial tear in the white zone. I asked him about options he said a partial miniscectomy. I said well then I understand losing catlidge may lead to problems, what happens down the road… he showed me a new knew and said replacement parts… 10 years down road.

    MY QUESTION TO YOU IS if i have little pain, why should I jump into this surgery? Would it be better to wait until the pain is affecting my lifestyle more? Is surgery always the best option? What are the risks of not getting the surfer?


    • I can’t give you specific advice. I don’t think there is absolutely any reason a person with little pain or limitation in activity needs to have surgery to trim out part of a meniscus tear. If pain increases or a patient develops increasing locking or catching of the knee, he could undergo surgery at that point.

  131. DEAR DR. GEIER,

    I am the 42 year old male that had a complex tear in the white zone of my medial meniscus. I only went in cause I could get an MRI paid for this year. Don’t have any daily pain but every couple of months/ maybe 4 times a year have pain for a day or two which I alleviate with ibuprofen. For now I have cancelled a surgery cause I have tried to outweigh risk over benefit???

    So my questions to you are:

    What does more damage to the knee… torn cartilage left untreated or getting a meniscectomy? I know they tell me the torn cartilage is doing no good, but are there studies that compare this topic? My worry is that that me getting the menisectomy will progress arthritic changes and possibly just give me more pain that I already have? and ultimately speed up the process of needing new knee parts.

    I keep wanting to listen to my body, but at the same time feel stupid because I do respect the Dr’s Opinion. Ultimately, I am still in shock at the thought of replacement parts in 10 years, cause I am pretty active and thought I had just a minor knee issue. I have talked to several active friends who say they experience the same type of knee pain once in a while so I am guessing tears of meniscus in active adults is quite common.

    Would love any of your opinions on this matter. I am just so torn!! haha

    Also thanks so much for offering this blog. It to has been helpful.


    • I don’t know that there is much compelling data to suggest that a patient with a degenerative meniscus tear and no symptoms risks further damage by leaving it alone and avoiding surgery. If the patient has pain that isn’t improving, surgery to trim out part of the tear can be helpful, regardless of potential risks down the road.

  132. Dear Doctor,

    I had a medial meniscectomy performed on my left knee almost two months ago. The swelling has subsided, but I still cannot fully extend my knee (lock it out)or flex my knee without pain. I also am experiencing significant pain in the area of my kneecap when climbing up/down stairs, attempting knee press exercises, etc.. I don’t remember experiencing these symptoms prior to surgery. My surgeon said that this pain isn’t related to the meniscus. The surgeon also performed some “cleanup” of the trochlea during the surgery. Do you have any idea what may be causing the pain in my knee when climbing etc?

    Thank you,


    • I can’t say specifically in your case, so I would defer to your surgeon. If patients have articular cartilage wear in the patellofemoral joint, that can cause pain. Also weakness of the quads after surgery can cause pain in that region in many patients after knee surgery.

  133. I am a 43 years old who injured his ACL tear and meniscus playing basketball. I have surgery for knee reconstruction scheduled on the 14/10/2014.
    I am very worried that my meniscus might not be able to be repaired and the medial meniscus is a main weight bearer of the knee. Could you please tell me if my meniscus issue is likely to be repaired or resected ? My guess is resected as only 10% are normally repaired and it is normally with younger people. I am worried that the tear is very large and extending to the inferior articular surface means to me that it might extend in the none repearable part.
    Could you please advise on this ? Does it make any difference if it is down at the same time as a knee reconstruction as I understand that the blood from the surgey help the healing of potential meniscus repairs . I am happy to send you via email my MRI if it helps.

    How serious is a Wrisberg rent tear. All surgeons I have seen don’t want to touch it and what I read on the internet is alarming (total menisectomy if it gets larger but I am not sure if that is right)/

    What is the impact if they resect 20% of my medial meniscus after the knee reconstruction ?

    Clinical Notes: Valgus injury 4 weeks ago. Effusion. Further episode last night ?
    ACL Tear

    There is a moderate joint effusion , with extensive pericruciate oedema and thickening at the posterior joint capsule.

    The ACL fibres are disrupted in the middle third, with no intact fibres identified.
    There are contusions of the posterolateral tibial plateau, and lateral femoral condylar sulcus terminalis.
    Contusion of the medial femoral condyle is also present
    The PCL is intact

    There is an oblique longitudinal tear within the peripheryof the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending to the inferior articular surface. This extends for a length approximately 26 mm involving the body of the posterior horn.
    Medial compartment cartilage is preserved
    The MCL is intact

    There is an incomplete Wrisberg rent tear of the lateral meniscus with vertical longitudinal signal within the posterior horn at the Wrisberg insertion
    Cartilage in the lateral compartment is preserved

    There is a low grade sprain of the lateral collateral ligament . The remainder of the lateral knee stabilisers, specifically the illotibial band, popliteus and biceps tendons are intact.

    Normalextensor mechanism
    There is early chondral fibrillation of the median patellar eminence

    Complete tear of the ACL in its middle third, with corresponding bony contusions as described
    Wrisberg rent tear of the lateral meniscus
    Longitudinal tear of the periphery of the body and posterior horn of the medial meniscus

    • I can’t give you specific medical advice or information based on your reports. Generally you are correct about the stats and demographics about meniscal repairs. Also meniscal repairs do tend to have better healing rates in the setting of ACL reconstruction.

      • Thanks for your reply. My surgery is planned in 5 weeks which will be about 4 1/2 months after the injury. Is that a negative factor to being able to repair my meniscus tear during knee reconstruction or is the length of time between injury and meniscus repair not important in the case of a meniscus repair during knee reconstruction ?

        Also is a 26 mm oblique longitudinal tear within the periphery of the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending to the inferior articular surface in the re / white area ? I am assuming this might start in the red/red and go into the white part . Can this be fixed if not all the tear is in the red/ red area ?

        Also if the knee doesn’t give away and no running or pivoting activities have been done between the injury and the surgery. Are they any risk of more meniscus tear ?

        • In theory, there is always a risk that a meniscus tear propagates or becomes unrepairable with further trauma to the knee.

          • In the case of an acl deficient knee with median meniscus tear like mine what would I need to do to make things worse if I am only walking and doing some physio before ACL surgery ?
            Also is a 26 mm oblique longitudinal tear within the periphery of the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending to the inferior articular surface too big to be sutured in a 43 old patient ? I am desperate for this tear to be sutured and not resected as the consequence are very different that is also why I am planning to get this done at the same time as my ACL reco as I understand you get a better chance of being able to fix the tear because of the blood from the operation.

            What is the kinetic impact of removing 20% of my median meniscus in an acl reconstructed knee ? I am very worry that this will quickly lead to OA. There are online article stating 50-70% chance of that within 5-15 years which is very short timeframe.

  134. Hi
    I had a lateral and medial menisectomy on both knees at the same time 3 weeks ago. I am just able to walk a little around the house without crutches. I still have pain inside both my knees and I can feel the swelling in both knees. How long does a surgery like this keep you from doing physical things without hurting anything else? I also have a partial acl tear which I have decided to leave as I am tired of dealing with pain and rehab. Is that a good idea?

    • Most patients are able to do their daily activities within a week or so, but they continue to improve for weeks, and really, months. You can check out my Ask Dr. Geier column about partial ACL tears for more information on those injuries.

  135. Hi. I had partial menisectomy a month ago. I had a partially torn ligament as well but the doctor told me I wouldn’t require reconstruction. I played soccer yesterday, and I fell down. It wasn’t anything serious, but I stopped as i didn’t want to take any risk. But now my knee feels warm. I’ve iced it but it hasnt made much of a difference. I’m also cycling to strengthen my quadriceps. Should I stop all these activities? Thanks.

    • I think patients generally can try to ice their knees and rest for a day or two to see if new symptoms resolve. When in doubt, I usually recommend that patients contact their surgeons to have them examine the knees and recommend treatment options.

  136. Is there a chance to repair a meniscus tear in 43 years old with during knee reconstruction 4 months after injury ?
    My understanding is that the tear need to be tried to be repaired within 2 weeks of injury.

      • Hi,

        My tear is a medial meniscus tear :
        26 mm oblique longitudinal tear within the periphery of the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending to the inferior articular

        It is large but my understanding is that if removed it is like doing a total menisectomy as I understand it is considered as a meniscus root tear (is that correct ?. That is from my online reading)

        I am 43 with 2 kids and a wife and this injury as turned my life upside down. I can’t walk anymore. I don’t see any way out of it beside having a knee reco and meniscus repair next week , going through a lenghtly rehab and being crippled by painful OA in few years time which I am sure to get if the medial meniscus tear is removed. Is that correct or am I over thinking it and why ?


  137. Also it has been about 2 months since the MRI was taken. I have walked on my leg and done some physio. No twisting . Is there a chance this might have got worse ?

  138. I am a 52 year old male, extremely active, and play ice hockey 3 times a week.
    I had surgery on April 18th and it has been 5 months and I am frustrated. This is a description of the procedure: The suprapatellar pouch showed synovitis, which extended pretty much throughout the knee. The patellofemoral joint was significantly involved. The lateral half of the patella and the lateral half of the trochlear groove extending into the lateral femoral condyle superiorly was worn to bone. The medial half of the patella was worn to grade 3 as well as the medial half of the trochlear groove. The medial compartment showed a small horizontal cleavage tear of the posterior third of the medial meniscus. First a major synovectomy was done suprapatellar pouch going down both gutters and into the intercondylar notch. Then, a debridement chondroplasty of the patella and trochlear groove were done and then a partial medial meniscectomy was done.
    Three months after surgery, doctor gave me a series of 4 shots of orthovisc and does not seem to help. Now I have pain where he gave me the shots, on the outside of the knee.
    My doctor has me strengthening my legs with doing squats, lunges and dead lifts. I also do a lot of stretching.
    Please help me, I do not want this to be end of my hockey playing.

    • I bet that it has been a tough recovery for you. I don’t know that I can help you without being involved in your care, though. Good luck!

  139. Hi Dr. Geier,

    I had a partial meniscectomy for my lateral meniscus and debridement for osteoarthritis 4 weeks ago. I also had a baker’s cyst present when I first had an ultrasound done for this injury many months ago. I still have constant clicking and popping on the lateral side of my knee (due to scar tissue and fluid build up I assume). What is more concerning is an occasional sharp pain I get in the back of my knee when extending the joint. Does a swollen baker’s cyst present like this? Also, is it typical to still have a large amount of clicking and popping within the joint this long after surgery?

    Thank you in advance for any information you can provide!

    • I can’t really say specifically, but clicking and popping after knee surgery can be normal early, especially in the presence of arthritis changes. Baker’s cysts often cause soreness or fullness in the back of the knee, although some people have few or no symptoms. Your orthopaedic surgeon can guide you a little more than I can. Good luck!

  140. I read a recent study entitled “Arthroscopic Partial Meniscectomy versus Sham Surgery for a Degenerative Meniscus Tear” published in New England Journal of Medicine. Have you reviewed it ? Any perspectives on subject ? I am in this category and trying to determine whether or not to go ahead with surgery or not. Minor symptoms and can tolerate most activities well right now (e.g. biking, walking golf course, strengthening exercises) except for returning to impact type sports involving twisting (e.g. squash).

    • Yes I am familiar with it. I have written about the concept several times and discussed it many times on my podcast. It basically suggests that patients with pain coming more from osteoarthritis changes than meniscal tear symptoms benefit little from knee arthroscopy.

  141. Hi Dr. Geier,

    I am 4 weeks post op for a lateral meniscectomy and debridement for osteoarthritis of the lateral compartment. I am still feeling some clicking and moving of stuff in the joint when bending and extending the knee. What’s more concerning is a pain I seem to get once in awhile when going from flexion to extension in the back of the knee, especially when my weight is on my leg. I was told I had a bakers cyst when I originally injured the knee. How do symptoms of a bakers cyst typically present?

    Any info on this would be greatly appreciated!

    Thank you.

  142. I have a 1.2 cm tear medial meniscus root tear. I am not sure how to deal with it. I had a knee reconstruction and my surgeon didn’t touch this tear but I believe this is still causing me to limp when I walk . I am very worried about him doing a partial menisectomy as what I read is that would be the equivalent to doing a total menisectomy because of the root tear location. How is this done normally ? This is an acute tear sustained playing basketball . I am 43 years old.
    This injury is completely changing my life. I am normally very active , my family do not understand my new state of mind.

  143. Hello Doctor,
    I had arthroscopic surgery for a partial meniscus tear in 1994. Now I have been diagnosed again with a medial meniscus tear again here in 09/14. My MRI was conclusive. My options appear minimal according to my doctor. I received a cortisone shot but the pain and swelling returned. I haven’t yet returned to report back to my doctor. The shot did work but for only a few days.
    Might you have an opinion on what he might suggest to alleviate the problem at this point in time? I am now 62 years old and my ex ray showed evidence of some arthritis also. I’m really afraid to hear what he may say, but if he feels it will help I hear non evasive knee replacements are commonplace now and I’d be willing to undergo it but would like your opinion. I understand the limitations of this method of opinion, but that’s all I wish, an opinion. Thanks so very much for providing a conduit for folks like me.

    • I don’t know that I can offer you any real advice without being able to see your x-rays or perform an exam. Generally any form of knee replacement significantly limits activities, especially impact exercise and many sports. Usually that is a procedure done after all other measures have been tried.

  144. Had a partial meniscectomy for my lateral meniscus about 2 months ago. Even though I am doing much better I’m a little concerned about returning to my job. It requires getting on my knees at times and pushing around 600 pounds up steep ramps everyday. I’m seeing my Doctor this week and he said he is doing a MMI. I guess my question is do you think it is safe? I’m 50 years of age.


    • I don’t know that there is an easy or absolutely correct answer. I would defer to your orthopedic surgeon since he performed the surgery and saw the extent of the tear as well as your recovery. Generally a patient is unlikely to retear the meniscus with activity after a partial meniscectomy. Having said that, very aggressive physical activity in the early weeks and months after surgery can inflame the knee and cause discomfort and swelling.

  145. hi doctor
    i had a acl surgery 5 months back presently when i step down from stairs i have a clicking in my knee
    some times its very uncomfortable
    is it normal
    some times i read its because thigh muscles are not strong enough is it true
    what can i do to void this clicking??
    thanks doctor

  146. Wish I had known about this site several years ago. A knee only has so many golf swings, pitches, jumpshots, etc. Dont be impatient, give it time to heal and strengthen properly; realize that you may have to trade your running shoes for swim fins(if only temporarily). A year is not too long for a knee to heal.

  147. Hi..
    I am 22yr old .I have acl surgery 3 weeks ago .after removal of steches I remove braces and start walking about a km for 5 days I have swelling in my knee . What should I do for better recovery .is their serious problems can occur .plz help me

    • Swelling can be normal in the early week after ACL reconstruction. Honestly, I would follow the instructions of your surgeon.

  148. I am a 61 year old female. My mri prior to surgery showed a medial torn meniscus and osteoarthritis in my left knee. I also have lordosis (swayback) from my childhood. I am now 9 weeks post op for the repair of the torn meniscus. 4 weeks post op, my ortho surgeon gave me synvisc injections. Prior to surgery I did lose strength in my core, and thighs due to my lack of exercising over the past 2 years.
    I have been in PT for 8 weeks; the first month 2x weekly, the second month 1x weekly.
    I have occasional swelling of the knee but no pain. The main problem is my body (legs, shoulders and back) has constant ache and stiffness every single day. Prior to surgery, I did not have this issue. Yes, prior I walked with a gait but I was fine except for knee pain. I still walk with a gait, no knee pain and experiencing this achy feeling as soon as I awaken and put my feet on the ground, and it stays with me for most of the day, lessens during the late day/night and cycle continues.
    My doc states my body is readjusting and shocked by the surgery. Although it was a minor surgery, my physical structure has been shocked and “it will take some time to get better, but it will”.
    I continue to hang on to his words but wonder if my lordosis, age + the surgery has changed my life forever. Is my surgeon’s statement true?

    • Honestly without being involved, I can’t really say. People are often surprised that the surgery is harder to return to 100% than they expected. I often send people to PT to help them recover.

  149. Im 18 years old and i play college soccer earler this year i tore my lateral meniscus i had a radial tear in the part of meniscus that would require a particial menisectomy. Few months after i was still having pain went back to my doctors had another MRI and it showed i retore my meniscus in the same spot and i tore my bone cartilage. I had another partical menisectomy. 4 weeks later pain free i was able to play soccer 10 minutes into me playing i had a sharp pain while changing directions. I had another MRI and it showed i tore my lateral meniscus again only this time i have a horizontal tear in the meniscus. I have another particial menisectomy surgery now coming up next month but i was just wondering should i look more into alternitive surgeries such as a meniscus transplant?

    • Meniscal transplant surgery can be an option for a patient who has had the majority of the meniscus removed in a partial meniscectomy surgery or multiple surgeries. There are some other criteria to determine if a patient is a candidate for that surgery. Your surgeon could tell you if you have much meniscus left.

  150. Hi there,Im 36 yr old active male. My MRI states; A isolated horizontal tear of the body and posterior horn of the medial meniscus with a tiny 2 mm posterior parameniscal cyst. Tear extends to the inferior articulate surface in the posterior horn and body.Tear is borderline red-white with reasonable tissue quality in a non-arthritic joint. Is it possible to repair a tear like this?

    • Tears in the red-red zone and some in the red-white zone can be repaired depending on the orientation of the tear. Usually vertical or longitudinal tears are thought to be repairable. MRI is notoriously bad at predicting the repairability of a meniscus tear.

  151. I am 43 and I have seen 3 surgeons. I have 2 small tears of the lateral meniscus following knee reco and all of them have said to not touch this tear (leave it in situ) . Is there something about small meniscus tear on the lateral side that says not to touch or repair ? If left untouched what are the risk of getting articular cartilage damage from it in the future ? I would have thought trying to repair it would be better ?

    Also I have a posterior horn medial meniscus tear which I believe is slightly symptomatic which was left in situ as well. Is it safe to do so and what are the risk of such a tear to propagate ? My worry is at the moment it is a stable tear and if it propagate the surgeon might need to resect much more of the meniscus. Is there something that says that leaving a meniscus tear in situ is better than partial menisectomy ? My understanding is even with a tear the articular cartilage is not protected anymore and risk Chondromalcia .

  152. hi docter
    im now 7 months after acl surgey i still cant extend my knee fully and bend it
    specially i can see muscle reduction in my thigh and what ever the exercise i do it wont strenthen
    still the swelling in knee is observed and its stiff too
    when im walking im limping

  153. I just had a partial menisectomy 2 days ago. I am not sure if I am doing anything right for recovery. My knee feels like it’s completely swollen and I dont know how to apply ice over an ace bandage over my knee. My leg and knee hurt immensely and I feel like it’s all being squeezed tightly. I can barely walk at all. And am entirely uncomfortable. Can you help me, thank you. Lisa Marie

    • I can’t offer you specific advice, but you might ask your surgeon. Generally we recommend ice and elevation in the days and weeks after knee surgery. Swelling is common early after partial meniscectomy surgery.

  154. 68 yr. old male, fell & twisted my left knee getting up on 6/30/09 day before back surgery. Tore the medial meniscus left knee. I have terrible general anesthesia problems so avoided doing anything. Cellulitis problem sent me to GP in late Nov. 2014. When he was examining my leg he squeezed my knee and sent me into orbit. After talking about it he ASKED me not told, to have a MRI which I did and the finding was as I had feared Torn Meniscus and I reluctantly went to my Ortho Surgeon who had repaired both shoulders 6 yrs. ago.

    When he said he could and would do it under a local I scheduled it. My son had the same thing a yr. ago so I knew some of what I had coming. I was off crutches in 2 1/2 days, off any pain killers in 4 days and off cane in 6, but used lots of Ice in Mr Ice machine. PT started 16 hrs. after the surgery and things have gone along well since until got on my exercise bike and decided that PT said 10 min. 20 would be better and pedaling faster had to be good. Wrong, set me back 4 days as the pain was back but anti inflammatory and lots of ice and rest has me back doing well.

    Got a talk by the Surgeon yesterday at Post OP that I knew better after the other surgeries to do as I’m told. He has said exercise but 4-6 months before most things come back, uneven ground could be longer and I know any operation takes 12 months to really recover. After reading the operation report I asked for he was all through the knee area looking here and there pushing muscles and what not around, looking, debriding, cleaning, cutting and flushing little wonder it remains sore.

    Everyone should ask for and read the Post operative report made by the Doc of your operation you will realize why 3-4 weeks you still have some discomfort. some may not want you to have it but it is a report on you and you paid for it in the cost of the operation.

    Glad for this blog it answered a lot of questions and I can see I’m Normal for once in my life!!

  155. June 2014, I had orthoscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. they didn’t repair it but had to just trim it off. They also cleaned out some arthritus. I did pt for about a month. I had full motion restored. I am 56 and overweight(trying to lose around 100 lbs) 5’6″ tall and am not athletic, just normal housewife things when the pain allows which is not often. My swelling and pain has never gone away. About 6 weeks ago i had the rooster comb stuff injected. it took about 3 weeks to kick in and actually was painfree but it only lasted a week. my pain has gotten so much worse since then. Since about 2 mos. post-op, I have had to go at least 2-3 times a month since then to have a lot of fluid drawn off the knee. My question is: is this normal for it to have to keep being drained? It is almost like pre-surgery days.
    thank you for a response.

    • Generally we don’t have to drain the knee repeatedly after a series of viscosupplementation injections. Having said that, I cannot know if something unusual is going on in your case, so you might ask your orthopaedic surgeon.

  156. Hi I’m 34 yrs old male. In February 2009 I had an arthroscopy on my right knee after tearing my lateral meniscus playing football. How long after are you likely to develop arthritis ? Or does this depend on the actual person and their lifestyle? I have since had no problems whatsoever and am now able to run half marathons. Is this likely to cause me further problems as I get older?

    Having recently had a medical for a job the Dr will not declare me fit for duty because of this 6 years ago so any comments a ice is welcome as I don’t know what to do to prove how strong my knee is.


    • Patients who have part of the meniscus trimmed out (partial meniscectomy) are theoretically at risk for later arthritis changes forever. It often doesn’t manifest for decades.

      • Respected sir, I am vikas mishra 18 year old. Got injured 8 months ago,MRI showed grade 3 tear in posterior horn of medial meniscus,I have gone through knee arthroscopy & partial meniscatomy 3 month ago. I have been feeling much better post operation.but i got a zerk during exercise and it started paining again..!! Sir please help me.. I am very hopeless & distressed too..!!

  157. Sir I am 18 year old football player.. I have gone through knee arthroscopy and partial meniscatomy… I have injured my knee 8 month ago… And gone through surgery 3 months ago… I started feeling good after 8 week,but then I got a jerk on knee again… It started paining again.. And sir my MRI 7 month earlier showed grade 3 tear in medial meniscus.I am feeling pain again there.Plz help me sir..I am frustrated & hopeless too!!!

      • I told these problems to my surgen he can’t gave me any solution.He is not a very good practitioner. Plz help me sir,what will you do if you handle a case of my type? Plz tell me any solution sir..

  158. I had an acl reconstruction 5 months ago and the surgeon found a peripheral medial meniscus (between 1 and 1.5 cm) tear and a small lateral tear (I don’t believe this was peripheral). He didn’t touch the tears. Can they heal themselve without suturing or non weigh bearing time ?
    I then followed the normal ACL protocol. How can a meniscus heal itself and does that mean that my meniscus would be back to normal with regards to the biomechanics ?

  159. HI Dr. Geier and all bloggers!Please HELP!
    Should I get Partial medial meniscectomy done?
    I am 32 years old male with a job requiring continuous lifting throughout the work day.A month and a half ago I injured my knee at work.i Was diagnosed with “large oblique tear of the medial meniscus with an adjacent para meniscal cyst”
    I started physical therapy the second week after the injury and since then my knee has improved a lot.
    I am scheduled for Partial medial meniscectomy in a few days and I am wondering should i get it done.
    I hardly ever feel pain in my knee now.And if I dont get it done,would it border me down the line and can i tear it more..
    The MRI impression is:
    Bone bruise at the distal anterior aspect of the femur centrally.
    Large oblique tear of the medial meniscus with an adjacent para meniscal cyst.
    Large focus of sclerosis in the distal femoral shaft felt to represent a beningn cortical defect.
    Like I said I hardly have pain any more and would the surgery increase the chance of developing artritis?
    Thank you!

  160. I had a partial menisectomy 8 weeks ago on my left knee (previously had similar on right knee about 18 months ago successfully). Now the pain is pretty uncomfortable especially after sitting for a while and then getting up. It almost hurts more that prior to the surgery although I have done nothing to aggravate it and followed my surgeon’s instructions fully. I know i have some arthritis in the knee (both actually) but haven’t felt any unusual pain from that so do not think that could be it especially as it would have just magically appeared without symptoms. I’m 54 and getting pretty nervous that something was missed as I just had a 2nd MRI to look it over again although my surgeon thinks it’s probably nothing he wanted to be sure nothing else happened. Any thoughts about what it could be?

    • Sorry, without being involved, I can’t really make a guess. Generally arthritis and recurrent meniscus tears are often the source of pain if a patient continues to have pain months after a partial meniscectomy surgery.

  161. Hello Dr. Greier. I am a 33 year old male who will be undergoing a second meniscus surgery tomorrow at 0900. The first surgery was a repair 17 years ago. The most recent MRI shows a left lateral bucket handle tear. This is the same as the previous injury. I am considering meniscectomy because I can’t be off of my feet for eight to ten weeks. My doctor has advised me of the potential for arthritis. This is a pivotal moment in my life as I am five months out from finishing nursing school. If I don’t finish now I will be forced to wait another year to enroll and pick up where I left off. I work fulltime as a fireman and part- time as an ER tech. The question I would like to pose follows. Is it possible to have a meniscus transplant following meniscectomy? How long is to long to wait for the transplant following meniscectomy? Hope I posed my questions clearly, and thank you in advance.

    • It is possible for some patients after a partial meniscectomy, but there are many factors that determine if someone is a candidate. Your surgeon could discuss those factors and that possibility with you.

  162. I had reconstructive surgeries on both knees (ACL tear & medial meniscus tear on R knee 20 years ago; ACL tear on L knee 8 years ago). The right knee is now a bit swollen and I can’t squat down or even bend it beyond 90 degrees…I had a great post-operative experience, but I’m afraid I was young and naive in high school; my doctor misdiagnosed me and I didn’t get surgery until almost a year later. This is probably going to show up as a need for revision (I’m guessing). But what are the success rates of revisional surgery? Is there anything that can be done to replace the meniscus? What are my options?
    Thanks, Dr. David Geier!

  163. I’m a 22 year old female. Two years ago I had meniscus surgery on my right knee. I now only have pain on rainy days and I have been able to go back to an active life.
    A few months after surgery I started to notice pain in my left knee it is now at a point where I can no longer ignore or deny the pain. How likely is it that I could have also torn my meniscus in my left knee.

    I did competitive cheer for years and in highschool played volleyball. My highschool job was at a roller rink as a skate guard and before surgery I was running 3 miles a day.

    I don’t want to go through surgery again…

    • I can’t quote you numbers, but it is certainly possible for a person to develop meniscus tears in each knee within months or years of each other.

  164. I just had a medial partial menisectomy on Friday March 20th, 2015. I get my stitches out next week. I also know there was alot of arthritis found and something to do with the partellofemoral compartment (although I am not sure about this thing because I was told something in recovery and I have no clue what). I am a 47 year old female and fell down concrete stairs in Oct. 2013 and broke my foot, knee cap and ribs so I am not in as good as shape as I once was but I just wanted to know normally how long is a patient that has this surgery done, on crutches and also when can I seat at a desk and work, because I get up and down alot with my job,which caused alot of pain prior to surgery, so I would imagine until I am healed it will again.

    • Typically I only have patients use crutches as needed after surgery, as I allow full weightbearing. Each surgeon makes that decision based on what he or she finds and does in surgery, so I would ask your surgeon.

  165. I’m 62 years old and pretty active, playing squash and tennis several times per week. Last summer I had about half of my medial meniscus removed in my right knee. The surgeon commented that the knee was in great shape otherwise, with no arthritis. It took longer than I expected to recover but I have now got back to full activity with no pain. Now I have a question which I know is hard to answer…….based on your experience with this operation and patient feedback, how long might I expect before the loss of the meniscus padding causes the cartilage on the bones of the knee to start to wear ? And how long before a knee replacement might be needed ? My own surgeon said that if I was 20 years old he would worry about taking so much meniscus but it was less of a concern at 60. But, on reflection I am not sure I communicated how active I would expect to be. Again, I know the answer to this question might be ‘ it depends ‘ but I am just looking for some general summary of outcomes. Thanks for your help.

    • No one really knows, and it would be different for different patients with different activity levels. It could be 5 years or it could be 20.

      • Wonderful ! Thanks for the guideline range. I would be happy with 5 good pain free years ! And even happier with 20….

  166. At age 28 I had had a lateral partial menisectomy. Recovery was about 6-8 weeks then I was back into playing sports. I opted for the surgery after waiting for a year to see if non-operative treatments would decrease the pain, which was not the case hence the surgery. I am now 31 and was relatively pain free between the surgery and now, however over the past month I have developed severe pain in the same knee lateral side. There has been no specific incident that I can recall to cause the reoccurence of the pain. Is there a trend/history of patients developing pain 3-5 years post surgery?

    • Patients can start to develop pain years after the surgery depending on how much was removed in the surgery. If a large amount was removed, then he or she could develop degenerative changes in that compartment of the knee. A repeat meniscus tear can occur as well. Hopefully it is nothing serious in your case!

  167. posterior lateral meniscal root tears/avulsions using a suture-only meniscal device, passing the sutures through a bone tunnel and tying over a button on the tibial cortex. This technique is also applicable to medial meniscal root 4 weeks to early to bear full weight if no pain exsists?

    • I’d ask your surgeon, as different surgeons have different opinions on weightbearing after meniscal repair procedures.

  168. I have had 3/4 of my meniscus removed about 10 years ago, I have sharp pain in the front of my knee and dull ache in the back. Would wearing a brace help ease the pain?

    • It is hard to say. An unloaded brace can help some patients with narrowing of the joint in one compartment from removal of part of the meniscus in the past.

  169. Hi, I’m a 17 year old male who participates in many different sports, mostly football (soccer) near enough everyday, and had a menisectomy last September to repair my meniscus, however the doctor said it was I repairable and had remove most of the damaged meniscus and trim it down as much as possible. The surgeon also said I had very steep meniscus, a normal meniscus has a slight gradient however mine is very steep compared. I was able to get back into sport after rehab about 1 half months after, however now 10 months later im suffering from the exact same symptoms I had before my operation. Could someone give me some advice, I’m currently waiting for another doctors appointment and hopefully someone could reply and give me a few pointers on what to expect! Thank you!!

  170. I am going for surgery and I work on a busy shop floor so on my feet for 7:30 hrs how long will i be out of work I’m 38

  171. Hi Dr Geier. I had a partial menisectomy on my medial, posterior meniscus 3 months ago. 30 – 40 per cent of my meniscus was removed… it was a radial tear. I was also showing some mild grade II changes on my tibial plateau and femoral chondyle. I am a 27 year old, very active female that prior to surgery was running multiple marathons. I am currently unable to walk without without pain and aching on the inside and back of my knee. I am also only able to do very limited amounts of easy biking. I have been going to PT but this is not helping. I am very worried because I was told I would recover a lot faster and my career currently depends on my recovery. I was just wondering if you think that this is still normal for recovery and at what stage should I start to worry. I have been on NSAIDs the last month which have helped a bit with swelling but not much for pain in terms of being able to walk. Thanks!

    • Most patients are relatively pain free 3 months after a partial meniscectomy, although return to maximal improvement can take another 1-2 months for some people. It is hard to know if anything worrisome is going on in your case, though, without being involved.

  172. Thank you for this web site, you are very informative.
    I am a very active 55 year old Captain Paramedic with the fire department. While on duty March 31, I fell onto concrete (landing on my left anterior lateral knee)injuring my knee and peroneal nerve which initially caused complete numbness distal to my knee. The X-rays & MRI did not show any major damage and the Orthopedic Surgeon choose the conservative route of PT. After 3 months the issues were worse and my knee was scoped. We were surprised the MRI did not show the injuries to the patellofemoral articular cartilage, central ridge, and tibial plateau, complex cleavage tears involving the posterior horn and posterior body of the medial meniscus as well as focal tears on the MCL. Repairs were made and I am 4 weeks post-op. PT is going well, but, ROM is still a problem and I continue to have lateral numbness and tingling that travels into my foot with no motor deficits. My questions are; what can be done for the nerve issue and how long do you think it will take for me to get back to normal activities?
    Thank you for your time

    • I would ask your orthopaedic surgeon about the numbness and tingling. It is hard to know if those symptoms come from a knee arthroscopy or something else, such as a patient’s original injury. Generally bruising of a nerve just requires time for the nerve to heal, although it can take quite a while.

      • Thank you for your response. The numbness and tingling has been present since the injury in March and improved slightly with 2 rounds of steroids. I have spoken with my orthopedic surgeon about it as a continuing issue and he is taking the “lets give it more time and see” route. I understand nerves heal very slowly,any suggestions on what options to speak with him about would be welcome. Sometimes it is hard to know what questions to ask. I might be rushing it a bit, but I want to get back on full duty as soon as possible.
        Again, thank you for your time.

  173. Hi there! I just had a partial lateral meniscectomy 6 weeks ago. The only concerning symptom is that my knee now feels ‘sloppy’. Because of the increased space made available from the removal of the bucket-handle tear, as I bend my knee, often times it feels the internal structures are sliding around. This then causes muscle spasms and tightness most notable superior and lateral to the patella. Happens anytime but more than half the time it is during non weight bearing activities like laying in bed or activities such as biking etc. When will this feel synched up and not so sloppy??

    • I’d ask your doctor, as he or she might have a specific idea as to what is causing that sensation. Generally most people regain full motion and strength around 6 weeks out from that surgery and return to maximum improvement by 4-5 months.

  174. Hi doctor
    Following my mri results I have a complex tear of the post horn meniscus and a full acl rupture. How bad is this injury and will I get back playing sports again.

  175. Active 55 yr old male caucasian, partial meniscectomy for medial tear (based on MRI) and shaved off some developing osteoarthritis in May 2015. Post-surgerical recovery fine and uneventful. 4 months later (Sept) radiating pain in knee from just walking (and other weight bearing work). NSAID and methylprednisolone only numbs the pain, did not eliminate it. I can still ride my bike (1.5 hr @18mph) and walk up stairs without pain. It’s to the point of becoming debilitating (walking). My orthopedic states he’s not experienced this before. Do I get a second opinion to find relief from the generalized pain?

  176. hello doctor.I am 24 years old.on 1st of oct I had a menisectonomy surgery .as the report says I had a partial tear in lateral meniscus .after surgery I can walk with out any problem.but how much time it will take me to recover and get back to work.i am working as a I need your opinion.

    • In my experience, most people are back to daily activities, work and school between 2 and 6 weeks after surgery. Maximum medical improvement can take several months.

  177. Male 17. I had a partial lateral meniscectomy 5 weeks ago. Is it true that stem cell therapy could regenerate your meniscus?

  178. Hi Dr.Geier. I’m male, 18. I just had a meniscectomy 5 weeks ago. Now I have two problems with my knee:
    1/ When I tried to play soccer 2 days ago, after an hour, it started to feel stiff in my knee and I could stretch my knee all the way back, it was locked. But after I iced it and rest, it gone.
    2/ When I kick forward (belly height), my knee feels hurt and loose right where I got my meniscus torn off, it hurt in a way like something is missing in my knee.
    3/ When I squat all the way down, it hurts.
    My question is, would my knee be back to normal again like nothing has happened? It is not completely healed because it was only 5 weeks or it would be like that for the rest of my life?

    • Maximum improvement and recovery from partial meniscectomy can take several months, although patients can usually return to full activities well before that.

  179. Hi Dr. Geier,

    I am 50 year old male.
    Slightly less of 20% of medial meniscus was removed 6 months ago
    (at the back part of the knee close to posterior horn).
    It was removed because of trauma.
    After surgery I was told that the rest of the knee is good and there are almost no degenerative changes.
    6 months after surgery the knee still hurts when walking and I do not see much improvement during last 3 months (reached plateau).
    My doctor keeps saying: the knee is good… He recommends cortizone shot now, saying that tissue irritation sometimes does not go away by itself. Can this really be the case? Also, there is 15 months time period between injury and surgery (physical therapy, etc). Because the tissue stayed inflamed for 15 months, is it common irritation does not subside on its own?

    Thanks a lot,


  180. I had miniscus tear in my right knee around 10 months back.Now i am perfevtly fine.I can run but the popping sound is still there.Also when playing football sometimes i dont feel that stability in my knee while kicking the ball.I have noticed there is a little part of bone which has become a bit big.Its near leftmost side of the knee.Doctors told me to take rest as it will heal with time.But if i want to get my old knee back what should i do?

  181. My name is Melissa. I am a mid-level medical (PA-C) provider. I had a partial menisectomy for a lateral tear of the posterior horn, of the medial right meniscus. I am young, healthy, and of a normal BMI/ weight. I had the surgery, in May 2015. I am still in pain. I have had a second MRI, and went to another physician for an orthopedic consult, the send MRI demonstrated NO abnormal post operative changes, and all the structures are intact. My surgeon, gave me a cortisone injection in August 2015 (because I was in moderate pain and still had swelling) The injection did help but only relieved my symptoms by 40%. However, I am still in pain. I go to a person trainer, I do NO impact activities, and I am still in pain. Everyday, my knee aches, when i exercise it burns, and 5-10 times a day I have a sharp pain. I expressed these concerns to two orthopedic surgeons and no one has answers about what I should do. Prior to my surgery, I was a runner. I was very active and my knee barely hurt. Post surgery, it hurts everyday, and now 7 months post surgery, I am in pain everyday. I already had a second post MRI, a cortisone injection, 30 sessions of PT, and a personal trainer, and it hurts everyday. Do I get a third orthopedic doctor?


    • I know that’s frustrating. 2 negative MRIs suggests a patient has no structural damage. Diagnostic arthroscopy is an option for some patients, but there is a good chance in those settings that no cause for pain will be found.

  182. I twisted my knees on the steps at work and both knees were sore .After xrays and MRIs it was discovered I had torn my meniscus.I had partial meniscectomy on my left knee( as this was the worst) done on 16th September 2015.After 2 months I was back at the surgeons as my knee was swollen and inflamed. He took fluid off my knee and said it was clear and not infected and no crystals. It is now mid December and I can not work as my job is very strenuous and on feet all day. I am in a lot of pain at night and find it hard to sleep.It has certainly put me off having my other knee done. I still can not kneel or crouch.I am a 63 yr old very active female and this is getting me down.Apparently they took a lot of cartilage out and went in deep.
    Why do surgeons say you will be fine in 6 – 9 weeks.I know every meniscus is different but this is taking a long time to heal.Thanks for taking time to read this. Kay

  183. Hello my name is Josafath and i had a partial meniscus surgery done about almost 5 weeks ago. the Doctor removed a cut called “flap” tear where he removed the tear and resurfaced. I also have my ACL completely torn and plan to get that surgery soon as well. However, i rested for 2 weeks or so and then began Bike and Elliptical training for about 45mins a session. i don’t work out to vigorously but i do put a bit of work in. I am at 4 or so weeks in and i now have discomfort and instability in my Medial side and a lump in the lateral side where they the cut was made. is the lump and the pain and instability related? should i stick only to biking until i feel better for an elliptical?

  184. Females, 33, I’m 11 weeks post op. I had an ACL reconsrtuction (Graffed my hamstrings) and I had a bucket hook menicus tear. Is it normal to have a clicking sound in knee?

  185. I had an ACL reconstruction and meniscectomy on the lateral posterior horn of my left knee about 3 weeks ago. The portion of meniscus that was loose looked to be about 1cm roundish on the inside “white zone”. Everything was feeling great until about 2 days ago since which I feel more swelling especially in the left under the kneecap area. I wasn’t worried until I noticed a catch when I bend the leg. It starts at a pretty moderate bend until something seems to shift loose and I can continue to bend. I put my hand on my knee and I can feel the shift externally as well. My thought is my femur is catching in the new void caused my the meniscectomy and pushing the meniscus forward stretching it until it pops loose and slides back. Is this possible, and if so what should I be concerned about for complications? what are the possible outcomes? Thank you for taking so much time to answer all these questions. Lots of good info here.

  186. 45 YO male. Tore medial meniscus during a treadmill run. Had partial menistectomy done 6/15. Waited 4 weeks to return to running, pain came right back. Took 2 months off from there and was able to run easy with no pain but kept it infrequent. Continued running off and on then 1/16 went for a trail run and the pain after was like I never had the surgery. Now easy runs are just as painful. Very sore for several days after running. I have now stopped again and am wondering if I should continue to take time off.

  187. I appreciate your consideration. 57 yr. old male getting ready for partial meniscectomy in 3 days: Have MRI findings “Complex undersurface tearing posterior horn of the medial meniscus along the tibial surface. The anterior horn and body of the medial meniscus are intact. Degenerative intrasubstance signal and questionable tear involving the root attachment posterior horn of the lateral meniscus. Remainder of the lateral meniscus is normal in signal and morphology.” So, my concern is about trying to be weight-bearing too soon and interfering with what seems like it might need to be a pretty extensive removal of meniscus. Can you share about how long you find weight-bearing to be limited? Around here they give the standard “1-2 weeks” but I am concern about damaging the healing tibial surface…

    Normal weight, good general health. Taro farmer in Hawaii (works in mud-bottomed shallow ponds tending plants. Slip/slide, unsteady surfaces.

    Any feedback is appreciated.


  188. Doctor,

    I had meniscus tear surgery and ACl reconstruction year back. While I don’t have pain now but sometimes feels discomfort while walking and I would get a needle point pricking pain in the middle of my right knee, Is it normal to go away by time? Also I feel sound everytime I release my leg from bending. Could you please help me with the answer?

  189. Doc-Long time runner. 36 yr old male. Started in 8th grade and ran all the way into college for my university. Switched to triathlons 3 years ago. Full and half ironman distances. Had surgery 11 weeks ago. 60 percent of my medial meniscus was removed which was very surprisingtot me as on my pre opp exam the doc was questioning how big the tear even was. Also he “trimmed” a small portion of my lateral meniscus. Started bike with PT program immediately and was biking and swimming within a few days. Running has been painful. Not sure if running through it in this case is the right thing to do. I had a second MRI as i went back to the doc and they found what he said was tears that were missed in the first image but that for now we need to just wait it out. Im a dentist myself and understand the body takes time to heal but in a case where 60 percent of my medial meniscus was removed should i face the music and strongly consider writing off running. As of late i’ve limited my running to about 15-17 miles a week but trying to make them very specific quality miles. Either a brick off the bike or a tempo run. Yesterday I did a 5 miles with miles 2/3/4 all under 6:25 pace and my knee hates me today…

    • Things have progressed to the point i cant run at all anymore. Havent run in about a month. I spoke with my doc and in his words the surgery wasnt successful. Witha new meniscus wouldnt that just alleviate the pain in my day to day activities but in regards to running again thats not really an option, correct?

  190. In your opinion, what is the most successful option for osteoarthritis (post 3 menisectomies).

    PRP, Regennex, Stem cells or meniscal transplant

  191. Hi there i had my meniscus cartilge done 5 weeks ago tomorrow but had a fall yesterday and face planted the ground landing on my knees but today i cant seem to straighten it or bend it any more than yesterday was just wondering if by any chance i may have damaged or tore the meniscus ? Or have i just badly bruised it or something? I am really hoping thats all i have done i cannot stand another 6 weeks of this its torturing i cant use the crutches properly and seem to lose balance a lot some sort of reassurance would be great thanks

  192. I had knee surgery by Dr. Charles Creasman in Phoenix. He did great. About 2 years later I notice that when I do run and I do run without pain for only 50-80yrds I get a knee ache. It is left knee and the area of pain is medial anterior. I am very active. I think I have unstable medial meniscus. I have had pain on and off for 6 weeks. Unable to do any leg work in gym or cardio for past 6 weeks. I cannot carry more than 20pounds irregurly, I can squat 180 pounds. I can do lunges all day long usually, Yesterday and today I have no pain. I am bracing strong, taking ibuprofen, naproxin, and a pain med(very sparringly). Naproxin at bedtime, Ibuprofin every 8hrs twice a day. I will get off this scheme by this Friday. I will g have done this scheme for 6 days, Pain med only every other 7-10 days. Come next Monday I will go slowly on Spin bike and proceed.I had similiar issue 1yr ago and I had MRI. Long story

  193. I had arthroscopy surgery 4 months ago and was told to work on my legs in the gym like I usually do. I feel that my knee is much stronger but it still lacks full motion. Im still not pain free especially when twisting and bending the knee.

    When exercising I dont feel my quads as much as my non-injured leg. Its slightly desensitized and Ive got to a point where I cant progress.

    Where do I stand an what do I need to concentrate on now?

  194. I had meniscus surgery on my knees 3 to 4 years ago. My knees at time hurt. I am a 57bYear old male that was in Karate for 32
    years. If I wear braces that have copper in them. Can I work out again with Karate. but have to know my Limitations, or is it a bad idea.

  195. I am a 32 year old, very active female. I visited a doctor after having sharp pain in my left knee when it was in full extension, associated with a “locking” of the knee in the same position. After MRI, found a lateral flap tear, and a arthriscopic surgery was performed tor remove the tear. The same “locking” feeling has occured since the surgery and has not subsided. My physical therapist can view the patella tendon appearing to catch on something while bending out of a straight position. She states she is perplexed, and uncomfortable with the pain remaining the same after surgery. My doctor was quite dismissive and stated he is unconcerned with the pain, and that it was normal. I am ready to seek out a second opinion, as my feeling is that it is possible he fixed an issue that was not necessarily the cause of the pain/issue in the first place. I am 7 weeks post op, and very frustrated. Any thoughts?

  196. I was 7 weeks after my cartelidge transplant in my knee and I fell and my knee bent . now it clicks when I flex my knee it’s a distinct clicking inside my knee . did I reinjure my knee? will I need to have surgery again ?

  197. Hello I am 2 weeks post of a lateral meniscus tear walking fine feel good running in pool but my knee pops EVERYTIME I straighten it is this normal? I play at the university of Ohio State and camp is coming up if it is something serious are there exercises or a shot I can get to stop it?

  198. Hi,everyone, what percentage will it removed with Partial meniscectomy?

    MRI report: Complex lateral meniscal tear with dominant steep oblique cleavage tear extending to the inferior articular surface along the body segment, inferior articular surface close to the free margin anterior horn, and peripheral inferior articular surface at the posterior horn. There is also short radial tearing along the posterior horn

  199. Hi Dr. David Geier,

    My name is Corey, 25-years old, and I was a competitive gymnast for 16-years. I had torn my meniscus back in 2007 after landing a flipping maneuver with my knees slightly behind me and it had popped. I had it repaired and never had an issue with it until 2013 when I was doing some low squats, I had relaxed the muscles at the bottom of that squat and I had popped my knee in and out of place, I immediately knew that I had torn it again. I then waited a whole year for it to heal, but no healing had taken place. So I got surgery to repair the medial meniscus of Oct. 2014 and didn’t weight bear for almost 2 months. I had then gone to Europe in early December of the same year and started weight bearing again, with a considerable amount of weight on my back (travel luggage). I had a little pain here and there, but I thought it was due to the fact that I had surgery 2-months before that. I’m wondering if I had done too much too soon?

    I did rehab and strengthening on my own but started developing hamstring pain near the surgical site. I had a fluorescent MRI done earlier this year, telling me that I had a cyst and that the meniscus never repaired. He then said I could live with the pain or I could get it shaved. So I had a meniscectomy performed March 28th and It’s been 5-weeks now. I’m having some clicking noises coming from the area and I feel like it’s definitely not the same. I’m so scared that I really ruined my osteo-congruency that is required for the knee to function properly. I guess I’m just looking for a clear answer, did I do everything right? Is there more that I can be doing? Movement is an essential part of my life, moving with pain and discomfort is definitely taking an emotional toll on me.

    Is it possible that surgeons can take out too much Meniscus? I know that surgeons go through countless hours of practice, but what are the odds of taking too much?

    Thank you for your time, I appreciate it.

  200. I had a partial medial meniscectomy and repair done a year ago. Recovery was fine and I was back to full range of motion within 2 months. I have been fine with zero pain and no issues. Then recently I was playing soccer and planted my foot and twisted (same knee) and heard and felt a pop, I actually thought my knee dislocated for a second. The pain was excruciating and on the lateral side. My question, can a medial meniscectomy affect the amount of torque and weight bearing across both meniscus and make the lateral meniscus more prone to injury?

  201. My Girlfriend Had A Partial Meniscectomy In 11/2012. She’s Now Having Issues Again With The Same Knee. Is It Too Late For Other Treatment? If Not, What Other Options Does She Have For A Resolution??

  202. Andy says:
    I have had two arthroscopy’s over the last three years to repair the medial meniscal tears. The last one being in October 2015. Since then I have experienced a lot of pain both in the side of the knee and under the front of the kneecap area. The last scan has shown that I have bursitis. I was advised to take six weeks off work and basically do nothing. I am returning to work on 31st May but am still experiencing pain and discomfort in the same area. The last time I saw the Consultant he mentioned that I would always have pain in that area and I might have to just put up with it with pain relief. He discussed his reluctance at carrying out invasive surgery as an option because I could end up with even more pain from the scarring. I cannot even do the basics in the gym like non impact training, cycling/x-trainer etc without being painful. I have basically gone from being a reasonably fit half marathon runner to virtually being able to do nothing. I am due to see the Consultant on June 6th.
    Any advice would be appreciated. I need to add that my employer has been very understanding and I will be under a phased return to work programme.

  203. I’m wondering if the orthopaedic surgeon is still following this thread? Last response from him was in November 2015. Doc – are you still here??

    • I am. I just cannot give specific medical advice, and that is what almost all of these comments request. Plus I have answered thousands of questions here, and most people have similar questions to ones I have answered. thanks for reading!

  204. Hi! I’m a 26 year old woman, very sedentary with some overweight. I fell a year ago and, after weeks of insisting, got an MRI done that revealed an ACL sprain and “bucket handle” meniscus tear that locked my knee on and off since August till April, when I finally had an arthroscopy done. The Dr removed 2/3 of the meniscus, as I’m young, so he preferred to leave some of the cartilage to avoid future issues. While still doing therapy, my dog (big breed) slammed into my knee from the front, making me push the joint backwards, and,on another day, I fell flat on my knees on a tiled floor. I hear a click with every step I take, and have a huge pain that goes from the outside of my knee, down to my ankle, and makes walking extremely complicated. I have consulted with my Dr and he says to continue with therapy and start using a bike, but I can hardly bear the pain to even stand at moments, even using a cane. I’m afraid I might have injured something on the outer side of the knee, but can’t know for sure without an MRI, right? Any information will be useful; the pain is driving me crazy. Thanks!

  205. I am post 3 weeks 50-60% lateral meniscus taken out. 47 year old female. I honestly do not know how or when i could have torn the meniscus, possibly running? My question is do you have any specific youtube threads for psychical therapy that you may favor more? I live on an Island where there are no options for psychical therapy. Pain/swelling is yet pretty constant. I feel i cannot or have not been able to straighten my leg yet. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated. Thanks

  206. I have Arthroscopy 2 months back for medial meniscal tear which occur almost 1year back. Initially after surgery i was improving and doing excercises for the knee strengthening but now for the last 5 days i was having pain difficult to walk and dicomfort is always present even in resting phase. Right thigh is weak than left. I have stopped the exercise and taking pain killers but no improvement. from today i again started excersie, what is your advice

  207. I have had an acl surgery one each knee (patellar tendon) 15-20 years ago. Since then two Arthroscopy for additional meniscus tears on my right and one additional on my left, and I now have manageable pain from arthritis seting in (also under the knee cap I guess). I still do sports (less and less aggressive ones obviously). I am now 42 (ex-college athlete) and wonder how much meniscus can be taken away before you are forced to have a knee replacement. I recently played volleyball and my knee swoll up again… not much pain (always in some), but nervous of another surgery or the surgeon to finally say he can’t take out any more? What option might I have, and when is Arthroscopy no longer an option? Thx

  208. 22 year old male. Field hockey player, had my surgery in January, and have been running fine for weeks now, however have returned to light hockey this week and it’s been pretty sore and stiff since. Is this just because of the strain I’ve put it under playing hockey again, rather than just jogging round a football pitch?

    My surgeon said the knee was in pristine condition other than the meniscus tear.

  209. had R meniscal (lateral meniscal tear-partial menisical removal)5 months ago–my gait appears to be affected as I still have pain in the knee and now my R hip is painful–worried will need more surgery

  210. I just had a partial meniscectomy almost 2 weeks ago. The surgeon didn’t remove the Baker’s my cyst is getting bigger and won’t go away. Is this normal? Thanks…

  211. My 11 year old daughter is having an arthroscopy next Tuesday. I have been reading so much negative comments that got me scared. She is having the arthroscopy to see exactly what’s wrong with her knee. She has been complaining with her knee since last March, but in May, while she was doing rythmic gymnastics her knee cracked and was in terrible pain. She had x-rays and an MRI but nothing serious was found. She started having physiotherapy and the pain subsided. The reason for which she is having the arthroscopy is because of the swelling. It never went away and sometimes she feels sharp pains in the sides of her knee. They took blood tests to rule out other conditions and everything came out as negative. The orthopaedic surgeon thinks it’s her meniscus. She is very active and dreams of becoming a ballerina. She is very good and I’m afraid of the post result. I have been reading so negative comments of people that were left in pain afterwards worse than they were before. I’m afraid it will affect her life as she is doing it at a young age. Will she be more prone to knee injury? I’m so confused and would appreciate some help. Thanks

    • Generally those are people with degenerative changes in the knee that struggle after arthroscopic knee surgery. Hope it goes well for her!

  212. My 11 year old daughter is having an arthroscopy next Tuesday. I have been reading so much negative comments that got me scared. She is having the arthroscopy to see exactly what’s wrong with her knee. She has been complaining with her knee since last March, but in May, while she was doing rythmic gymnastics her knee cracked and was in terrible pain. She had x-rays and an MRI but nothing serious was found. She started having physiotherapy and the pain subsided. The reason for which she is having the arthroscopy is because of the swelling. It never went away and sometimes she feels sharp pains in the sides of her knee. Her knee is also locking after few steps. They took blood tests to rule out other conditions and everything came out as negative. The orthopaedic surgeon thinks it’s her meniscus. She is very active and dreams of becoming a ballerina. She is very good and I’m afraid of the post result. I have been reading so negative comments of people that were left in pain afterwards worse than they were before. I’m afraid it will affect her life as she is doing it at a young age. Will she be more prone to knee injury? I’m so confused and would appreciate some help. Thanks

  213. Had left knee partial meniscetomy 11 weeks ago. In last four days have pain and tightness behind knee when sitting for extended time. Is this most likely musculature issues?

  214. 59 year old active male, no previous knee issues. My MRI report says “low grade partial thickness undersurface tearing of medial meniscus at posterior horn partially extending into body segment. My surgeon suggests removal of entire avascular portion of meniscus. He also suggests new therapy involving liposuction of my fat, extracting a type of tissue from it — one that includes capillaries — and injecting it into meniscus area to grow new meniscus. Anyone hear of this treatment? Any successes?

  215. 37yr old active female. previous history of right ACL 8years ago, very successful rehab. just over 4 yrs ago tore lateral meniscus (tear didn’t show on MRI Dr operated as he thought he was looking for loose bone fragment as a result of the earlier surgery). Tough rehab, whereupon I wasn’t convinced my knee was stable, more MRIs and Docs saying it was in my mind. End result knee locked up again and they went into investigate to put my mind at rest saying it going to be clean but found that I’d torn the meniscus again – op in Jan 2015. Hard rehab again, knee popping etc but was stable for about a year, however now a lump appears in back of knee at random times but normally after 50mins walking (could be as early as 20) which prevents me from fully extending leg when walking, i.e. I walk with a limp until a rest for 5-10mins and then I can go again for a bit. Same pattern as before previous op. I’ve not much confidence in MRIs, as the last 4 I had didn’t show the previous two tears but I’m wondering if this sounds like it is torn again or just my nervousness (given 3 knee ops). I do also get some sharp pain when twisting but nothing too bad and knee hasn’t locked up since previous op. any thoughts welcome.

  216. It has been 3 months after a meniscus repair surgery and have been going to physiotherapy and gym to regain the strength in my quad and hamstrings. I was assigned to doing dynamics where I change direction, however as I was doing so I felt light strain in the knee. Now I am unable to bend my knee inwards fully without feeling some discomfort. What to do?

  217. I have torn meniscus where it indicates at one place it is Tier 3 and other place Tier 2.Doctor said he might have to remove the meniscus.Will I be walk normal after meniscus removal?

  218. IMa 54 yr old female previously had a torn meniscus repair 14 yrs ago, last Nov fell on a faulty hotel carpet and reinjured. SEveral docs finally MRI in Feb. showed new tear. Saw old ortho surgeon and tried cortisone shot no real improvement. Surgery in July this year back to work after 8 wks in Sept . REsults of surgery said degenerative changes mainly tidied up will need total knee progress”grim”. Im still in pain thinking about trying cryotherapy .Worried the claim I have pending will now be dismissed s results say degenerative changes and how long can I go until the total knee

  219. Hello. I am a fairly athletic 50 year old male who successfully had my ACL repaired 5 years ago. Just last year while playing the field in baseball, my knee got clipped and I received a bucket handled tear to the medial meniscus and a complex, partially extruded tear. The surgeon tried in Feb to fix things without a meniscectomy but was unsuccessful. 3 weeks ago I had surgery again and the report afterwards was debridement and meniscectomy. At the present time, the knee is still partially swollen but I seem to have more of a “clunking” feeling and sound behind the knee when I extend/straighten the knee rather than popping and the knee seems unstable. Should I be worried about the clunking?? It almost feels like something is moving around inside. Could the reduced meniscus and my past ACL surgery cause the knee to shift in its alignment? This definitely feels different than just popping and pain.

  220. I had a medial meniscus tear in 2001 and underwent meniscus removal of about 50%. 15 years later I am now very inactive due to a heart condition. I bent down to pick up a box and felt severe knee pain (in the same knee I had surgery on 15 years ago). It’s not swollen but hurts a lot on the inside of my knee when I walk or turn quickly. Is it possible to have a lateral tear now? Thank you!!

  221. 53 year old female, avid athlete. I’ve run 28 marathons, countless numbers of long runs over 20+ miles, and I rock climb, ski, hike, bicycle, and swim. I really want to eventually return to running (I don’t mind waiting awhile and building up super slowly). Doctor said about 1/2 the area where the tear was , was removed (posterior horn of medial meniscus) plus he cleaned up the chondromalacia patella. Distance running is in my blood but I don’t want to ruin my knees and not be able to enjoy my life when I am older. What are your thoughts as to how much distance I could be running without pushing my luck? Many thanks.

  222. Hello Dr. Geier! I had an arthroscopic partial medial and later procedure done in July 2012 and the surgeon sold me that I should not run. Well in 2015 I did not get a good report from my FP and she said that I was borderline diabetic, slightly overweight and hypertension II. Well I started walking right away! Walking has always bored me and I am a runner but haven’t run. Well I started running…I couldn’t help myself and I ran for a full year with absolutely NO problems whatsoever that was July 2015 now here it is November 2016 and I have started developing that initial paid that I had over 4 years ago all over again. I know that you will not answer specific questions but I would like to know if I could have done some considerable damage by not following the “doctors orders?”

  223. Hello Dr. I have a tear in the white part of the meniscus and was told there isn’t enough blood supply to repair. Do any of the newer methods I’ve read about work or are really helpful like stem cell injection therapy or the method used to get blood to the white area to promote healing to a repaired white area can heal a tear rather than having a partial removal? Thank You for any info.

  224. I am 62 year old male who underwent repair of torn miniscus on my right knee 13 days ago. I was walking with a cane in 4 days. Have considerable localized pain about 5 inches above knee, on left side of thigh. Also have a blue colored bruise on the skin covering the front of my leg bone, about 6 inches long and midway between foot and knee. Whole leg aches, from thigh to arch of foot. No fever. Leg slightly hotter than other, but feels like it is hot inside.

    Is this normal at 13 days. I walk okay but sitting or lying makes my leg ache.

    I am 3000 miles from home and really wish to avoid going to ER.

  225. I have gone through Knee (Right knee) Surgery on 28th Oct 2016.Now after a month I am able to walk with crutch on my left side.I am now 44 yrs .Knee surgery was :
    1) New ACL -using external donor graft.
    2) Lost 80% of medial meniscus.
    3) Lost 20% of Lateral meniscus.

    Swelling has come down a lot.Able to see Patella and no scars as such but still lot of swelling around, that might take 4-8 weeks.

    My doctor say I can do normal walking n day to day work except high end sports like football etc.

    My question was..if I dont play high end sports…how much years this 20% meniscus might help without any issues.I know its difficult to guess or guarantee anyone but still..Will it go for 15 years before i go for knee replacement?

    Secondly what kind of gym exercise I can do to further reduce my weight.

    Third question….does biking put any pressure on remaining meniscus?

    Your suggestion will be helpful.Thanks in advance.

  226. I am 29 only, had pain on right knee and suffered for two years, finally the MRI report suggested Meniscus tear. I did operation(arthroscopy,menistectomy) in India two weeks back. The doctor told me on the first day even to walk without crunches, and i did so and kept walking. Now i still feel kind of burning on right side of knee the operation site, and cant stand much or walk much as the first days after the operation. Dr.David i would highly appreicate if you advise me and if all these complications are normal as i am afraid if the things has gone wrong by walking just after the operation. Thanks

  227. Hi Dr. Geier, I think I may have a unique question you haven’t answered yet! I had a left knee partial lateral meniscectomy for a bucket-handle tear about 5 weeks ago. My meniscus was apparently “discoid” instead of C-shaped, so my understanding is that even with the partial meniscus removal, I have a fair amount of lateral meniscus remaining.

    What are the odds that my right knee menisci are also discoid? My orthopedic surgeon indicated that discoid menisci are more prone to tears than “normal” menisci.


  228. In 2007 at 37yo I had a partial meniscectomy on right knee removing 75% of the total menescius of my entire knee. Went fine recovered well. Within 5 years my right foot started to have a tendency to turn outwork and knee would not allow me to run or lift heavy weight. I started suffering from pain and minor swelling with any strenuous activity. Now 10 years later in 2017 I suffered a major fall resulting in major injury to the meniscus of both knees for which the right is the worst. I have been told at the least I will have to have the meniscus in my right totally removed. I wonder if with arthritis I would be better off just having a knee replacement.

  229. I had my first partial menisectomy at 5 years old…no explanation for the reason of tear in the first place. I’ve always had pain since and had my second partial menisectomy at the age of 20. I’m now 24 and still get pain and problems but the doctors don’t take me seriously/give me any help. Any advice?

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